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could you name some.. we can compare with his product and even he could get some tips from em. thanks

just so you know then, I honestly don't think MS and Adobe would look at you as anything but small fry. So dont feel too bad. Go ahead and check out aviary by the way. pretty powerful tool. aviary.com

Well I'm wondering what else it could possibly be. This was all formulated with the name kept in mind as well. Google +1. If that is correct then everything is about +1ing what you find on the web. Or this could just be an elegant hoax. But given that it is Tech crunch they are pretty much the best at grabbing leaks.

By the way, just to point out one thing, I'm not entirely sure either task, FB iterating into full on search and Google entering the social market is simpler than the other. But yes Google already has its very firm foothold in search. But then again you might not be considering that Bing could easily partner up with FB is the past trends are anything to go by. In which case Google should be doing there best to come up with something special.

And question. Why exactly would it be a poor product choice? I'm basing my thinking on the design of rockmelt, it has the share button and the friend edges which basically let you watch your twitter feeds and chat with fb friends from the browser. I hid the friend edges when demoing the software, wanted to save it for the final blow. I tell you I could have left with the share button and they would have thought it was a pretty neat idea.

That is obviously not a majority vote but it might be an indicator that the share button is cooler than we think. Although yes. With all the hype that was surrounding Google Me... This does feel like a kick in the head.

I found this (if true) to be an interesting concept which I blogged about. Or you could just go through the comments sections over tech crunch.

http://techstopmuse.blogspot.com/2010/12/google-1-unraveling...

gist of it is, its their own way of entering the social graph/search space and their way of telling facebook to stay off their space.

Well it's like this. This is a common thing seen in a lot of places. For the moment deal with it. Just so you know, where I come from some of the biggest companies use pirated copies of Windows. But once they get to a level where they can shift over then they inform, say Microsoft, and begin the transition slowly.

I think you should wait for your company to reach a level where they can do that before you really make a move. But you can also ask yourself. How much longer till you hit that kind of profit to even begin transitioning slowly. Too long for you to be comfortable? Well you aren't willing to quit. So search for alternatives to be used at whatever point possible.

Here's a start. Prezi for replacing traditional slides? (You don't have to build it all funky like the examples. You could still build it in a powerpoint-ish style.)

Before you suggest anything make sure you have an answer for when they look you in the eye and say "well what would you do then?"

thanks for the insight into how you used the real time. And pretty cool way you actually used Wave. just so you know :)

thanks,

That brought something that didn't come up so far in the discussion. What sort of bugs did you experience. And what was the most difficult part of the UI?

Thank Daniel,

Follow up question. If you have seen the videos of real time editing, do you think working on the entire document's text within the wave would be a good way of making use of wave?

Thanks.

Follow up question. If someone built an extension for interacting with people outside of the wave say by email (yes what they tried to do away with) or maybe sms, then do you think things would have worked out with the school projects scenario?

Thanks Dave.

Following up on that. Did the whole "see your friends type as they go" feature ever really benefit you?

Thanks. Care to elaborate on some of that stuff? Did you upload documents for collaboration? or did you work through google docs and link it into wave conversations?

How did you get your family on board with you to work with wave?

What was your first impression when you came online (and probably just like me) and found no one you could interact with immediately?

Depends on what the app is as well and how you can split the work up into stages. Are the features clearly defined? Can you work on small feature driven iterations? Or is it better to work on goal based sprints? One general piece of advice I can offer is that since you are a team of two you might not need to take an approach which has a large review based section in it. This is again purely situational. If you are doing usability testing then this can change. Also are you two working in the same location or is it remote? In the end the methodology has to suit your needs. Consider the above stuff and if you can hit us back with a bit more details I'm sure there'll be more specific answers.

As for specifics... Look into FDD. Feature driven development.

Oh and good luck with the work :)

Edit: by less review I don't mean testing and stuff. I mean formal and rigid sort of meetings every week. Sure have a proper review at regular intervals but most of the reviewing should be happening automatically with every feature/sprint completed.

haha fair enough. maybe im just paranoid about how the minds of people work as ive seen it. We use turitin at our university to check originality of work of students. That takes a document and matches it against a huge database of their own that they maintain. Students can't use that service (unless they pay the fee which they mostly don't although I know a few who have done so) because they would look at the areas that have been marked as unoriginal and would make a few changes to make it go undetected.

at least that's how it goes. The system I have right now so far also highlights which areas specifically does the style change and in what way and by what percentage. It's being built keeping in mind a user base that should be able to get information with just two clicks . So it shouldn't be too hard to change the style here and there to game the system.

But I do raise hands in acceptance of your viewpoint here and call a truce (yes drama much) until I actually build a product before really making a decision on everything. But I do honestly value your input a LOT. thanks again :)

hey just wanted to say thanks and that i had a final chat with people around the project. Their advice was not to go open source but with a completely rational reason. If this was open to all then students whose projects are to be checked by the system, those same students could download the source or the binaries and then try and game the system to accept plagiarized documents.

Thanks again all the same and I will use your suggestion for a bunch of other ideas and projects that I will be starting work on very soon

That bit.. But dammit I sure as hell appreciated it. You brought me one step closer to getting to open source. I just posted a description of the software I'm going to build in the comments section so if you could give further advice. Thanks again.

I just posted a description in the comments above. Thanks :)

Ok it would clearly help to tell what the idea is. So what I am building currently is an engine and a commercial level software on top of it to automate the checking of stylistic consistency in a document. The application of it is pretty broad but to sum it up into a few points

1) Plagiarism detection in education. It can be used as a means to detect plagiarism of individuals outsourcing their documents (thesis) through identification of differences in style (inconsistency).

2) Forensic studies. Letters submitted to court have often been suspected of being doctored by others determined to put a suspect behind bars at any cost. Can help there by identifying inconsistencies in style.

3) Literature studies. Educational tool to help professional creative writers improve their consistency in style

This can be expanded in many other ways, such as history where the software could aid in solving mysteries of disputed authorship of texts. The possibilities grow even more if you think of it merging with other types of bio metric studies.

Right now what I am building the software under is the 1st point and it is titled Multiple Authorship Detection Automation. Hence the interest from the academic field :). Ok. Hit me now.

ok. any advice on licenses? i don't want some big company coming and taking my source and putting it into their product even if they do credit me.

I can't say just yet what it is just yet. Not until I've made the first release. Yes. I'm paranoid after hearing the stuff that can happen :P. I sort of put this question up looking for some therapy as well :)

As far as IP rights go a lot of the project will be what I do after I leave university. But I've already spoken to heads and have worked around that issue. In fact they'd be my first investors, but advised against open source. So IP is workable.

As for what the project is it's pretty hush hush right now before I decide anything but to give an idea of size it would include AI and an NLP engine built into it. It's got a lot of business potential as well. If that would help with an idea of where I should go?

And again. Question is. How do open source teams actually make money out of projects like this?

Tested on chrome. works fine. tested on htc desire. didn't work. Browser version webkit 3.1 . I swiped.. tapped.. swiped.. several times. Then it suddenly started changing and all the taps and swipes happened with a really delayed reaction.

Oh but i like the site a lot! :) cheers

i know that. what i'm saying is.. notice that instant wasn't used. even though it was clearly working. that's what i meant by activity in the background. google instant working. not used. I've seen this behavior quite visibly around my university labs as well.

If you have seen otherwise do hit back. I'm trying to find out if Instant really does change the game the way they hoped it would or whether it's a few years ahead of its time since most people still type out the full thing all the same.

fair enough. I'm about to start proper proper development for the market (all this time it's been apps I made for myself when I needed something done) and yes the first thought that came to my mind was if I implement the paid component for this how do I go about actually marketing it (I'm not yet in a paid app enabled zone). Hmmm. I didn't think about that being a direct effect. Thanks. I shall research on this since I do recall an article from sometime back about the market mentality of Android. Will start there.

cheers

Well it's like this. There are plenty of apps out there being developed for android only. The thing is nearly every one of those android only apps are well... rather crappy in design and performance. Apple developers put their bets on paid apps since they have to go to hell and back just to get them approved.

What you say is for the most part true but there are a lot of developers out there on the ios platform too who have put that same effort into making apps but they choose to make them free. Based on this I just thought to myself what if the moderation concept was applied to the app market.

It's about motivation mostly and an effort to try and improve the quality of the apps out there. Google needs to address this issue at some point. Apple addressed the issue of fart apps didn't they. Higher quality apps being developed as Android only means a lot to the folks at Google. It's excellent pr and great for marketing the platform. Even with the featured app program there currently I don't see improvement. I see apps ported from iPhone hitting the top quite often actually.

So yea. I got what you said. But if Google wants to improve the app quality they need to be proactive about it. Very! The question was how to be proactive without killing the openess

Sidenote- as far as paid apps go Google devs anyway have a different mindset which focuses on the freemium business model. So they wouldnt mind working to get into the 'Google approved' list since that would just increase chances of people purchasing their full software

Thanks for commenting btw. Really had to think on that