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leot··on Boston Dynamics will start selling its dog-like SpotMini robot in 2019
ICBMs?
leot··on Larry Harvey, co-founder of Burning Man, has died
Basically everything almost didn't happen.
leot··on Underestimating the mind-warping potential of fake video
This is similar to the pre-elightenment skepticism of alchemists. Soon after the printing press, scientific communication was invented as a way of addressing the trust issue. The internet might be forcing a similar shift.

I wrote a bit more about this here: https://www.google.com/amp/s/blog.scholarpedia.org/2013/11/0...

leot··on Machine Learning’s ‘Amazing’ Ability to Predict Chaos
Can anyone speak to whether PRNGs might be affected?
leot··on [dead]
It's a testament to the absurdity of the American political process that multiple committees have been formed to study the invented nonissue of the integrity of voters, but relatively few have been formed to study the legitimately serious issue is the integrity of voting.

Putin would love nothing more than to see Americans lose faith in the democratic process, and he wins every time we mention "voter fraud" when we should instead be talking about election integrity.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
Huh? That wasn't my point.

It should be blindingly obvious that silencers/suppressors have a use beyond "hearing safety". Namely, that they allow someone to shoot someone else without attracting as much attention.

Are you claiming otherwise?

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
Is this a general principle, or specific just to making it harder for people to find videos depicting how to make deadly weapons?
leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
So you have an expectation that CatTube should host dog videos?
leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
So to be clear, you're saying "yes YouTube should host porn".
leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
Ok, maybe there are parts that are an overreach. Does that mean the whole thing is a bad idea?
leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
Is my no-dogs-allowed CatTube unethical, then?

Or do the ethics have to do with YouTube's utility like status?

I personally am happy that YouTube can and does censor/ban porn, obscene videos, and videos depicting humans dying.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
> "The change in loudness would have to be proven to make a difference first"

What do you specifically mean by "proven to make a difference"? Suppressors are known for being used by intelligence services -- presumably they're not using them to protect their agents' hearing.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
What do you suppose the impact of a suppressor would have been in Las Vegas last fall?
leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
First, I think the entire "liberal" v. "conservative" distinction does far more harm than good to productive public conversation. It causes people to pay more attention to where ideas come from rather than to the ideas themselves.

Second, it is a kind of ad hominem fallacy to claim that there exists some kind of unspecified (and no doubt nefarious) "liberal agenda" to which advocates subscribe. Especially given that 97% of the US supports universal background checks, how can the o.p. be so sure that this is the product of a "liberal agenda" and not instead a sensible response to an epidemic-level problem?

When people refuse to describe the entities they claim to exist (again: where and what is this "liberal agenda"?) there's good reason to be skeptical of both the people and the entities. Often it's scary packaging for something that's reasonable if you take the time to look at it.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
Yeah, I'm not a fan of religion actually being a protected group. It probably is there for historical reasons, when it was harder to "get out" of one's religion.

Freedom of speech and political expression is very different from your right to not be discriminated against for expressing your political views. I will defend your right to say "poor people should not be able to get healthcare", but having this political opinion provides important information on your character, which seems very legitimate to consider when making, e.g., a hiring decision.

There aren't easy answers here, and laws and policy are blunt instruments that will usually have some unintended and undesirable consequences.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
I don't have data. It would likely take a while get the data from the "experiment" that showed that the availability of a suppressor increased the probability of a gun's being used in the commission of a crime.

The point is that given the availability of effective ear protection, there is no legitimate argument for civilian use of suppressors. There is no plausible argument that their existence would decrease the risk of a gun's being used illegally, and there are great reasons to believe that in some instances it would increase this risk, and/or make it more difficult to catch those who have done so.

Long range flamethrowers are illegal, but could be said to have a "legitimate use" for clearing brush. When there is no good argument for a thing to exist, and there are good safety-based arguments for it to not exist, then in the name of safety we should not have said thing.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
Right. There will be a false positive rate, and there will be gray area cases, as there always is.
leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
I'm not sure I see your point. You're saying that, because there is advocacy on behalf of changing company policies in a particular direction, for a legitimate reason, the companies should avoid changing their policies?

Under what circumstances would you want to see companies revise their policies?

EDIT: missed a word

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
> Suppressors have a legitimate purpose in reducing hearing damage

Flame throwers have a legitimate use as a brush clearing tool. Fortunately there are straightforward and safer alternatives.

The best way to prevent hearing damage from a gun is with ear protection.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
Does the loudness of a gun deter its use in the commission of a crime? I think it does, though perhaps only in a handful of cases. Gang violence comes to mind: the gun's loudness gives you away if you're sneaking up on folks, and makes it easier for law enforcement to locate you.

If a gun's loudness sometimes acts as a deterrent, then the availability of this "piece of metal" will reduce/eliminate this deterrent, and consequently increase the probability of the weapon's being used.

The same can't be said for ear protection.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
> "History is repeating"

How so? This is not about blocking political speech from these platforms. It's about a specific issue: whether YouTube should make it easy for people to find instructional videos on how to make and modify firearms.

Would you be upset if platforms blocked content showing how to make bombs? Biological weapons? Why not include the blocking of firearm modification videos?

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
Yeah. Though I deeply disagree with political affiliation being a protected group (at least in part because you get to choose your political views).

In any case, there isn't yet a gun-rights-maximalist party against which YouTube could be prohibited from discriminating.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
If your post covers it, it should be easy for you to answer the question:

Should YouTube be forced to host porn and snuff videos? Why or why not?

In answer to your question: the porn thing was a dicey question of tradeoffs, and in the US was adjudicated by the legal system decades ago. This is an explicit example of a debate about where to draw lines (a debate that continues), and porn has (for the most part) been evaluated to be in-bounds as concerns ICANN and power companies. For now, at least.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
I think content providers and platforms should be free to make whatever choice they want regarding content on their platform, provided they don't discriminate illegally (i.e., based on membership in a protected group https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group)

If you fully ramify your position, you're advocating that the government tell me that if I host videos, I can't prevent people from posting videos that I don't like. E.g., if I make a cat video hosting platform, and someone uploads a dog video, I can't stop them.

Again, this is a debate about where to draw the line. It just happens to be the case that there are some people who are fierce advocates for maximizing the amount of gun stuff that is readily available online.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_group

Actually, political opinion is not protected against discrimination. Otherwise I could create a political party that advocated, say, the extermination of a particular group, and then if you refused to hire me (because I'm obviously an asshat if I hold this view) I could sue you.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
That seems like a fig leaf.

The tradeoff is between the relative costs and benefits of suppressors. Given that ear protection is cheap, plentiful, and doesn't increase the probability of someone getting shot, it's hard to justify the legality of suppressors for purely "safety" reasons.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
Note that FPS Russia etc. are still allowed. YouTube is banning videos that show people how to make and modify guns.

This isn't a debate about censorship. This is a debate about where to draw the line on what is and isn't acceptable content.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
Do you believe YouTube should be forced to host porn? Why or why not?
leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
So are porn videos. So are snuff videos.

How do you propose YouTube draw the line on what is and isn't acceptable? Because legal/illegal isn't going to work here.

leot··on Restricted by YouTube, Gun Enthusiasts Are Taking Their Videos to Pornhub
"Censorship" is a Bad Word because of Nazi book burnings, Soviet political censorship, Fahrenheit 451, and other notions of "government censorship". Its "Bad Word" status means that we don't want it to apply to the kinds of blocking that we think are legitimate.

But the reality is that censorship is not all, or even mostly, bad. YouTube censors snuff videos. And porn. Is that bad? How about videos showing how to make bombs? What about nuclear bombs? What about anthrax? What about biological weapons?

Clearly, YouTube and other platforms must and will draw lines on what does and doesn't constitute acceptable content.

The question isn't about censorship. It's about where the line should be drawn.

For whatever reason, there's a lot of people who think that instructional videos on guns should be in-bounds rather than out-of-bounds. To the extent people are talking about "censorship" writ-large it is a distraction from having to justify making specific kinds of content widely available.

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