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They didn’t. Supposedly It crashed or landed and they built a building over it.

Well, he’s alleged that whoever is apart of the conspiracy has killed to protect this secret. Perhaps people have been too afraid to whistleblower because their lives were at stake

Don’t you think congress should investigate these crazy people then?

There’s a report that one of these craft are so large that it can’t be moved https://youtu.be/r-zjLas_WbM

You are 100% correct that this could be a giant psy-op constructed to convince people of something insane like aliens. From what I’ve heard, the ICIG has gotten testimony under oath from people purported to be apart of the reverse engineering programs, and they have provided locations and photo evidence. There’s also a report that one of these craft are [so large that it can’t be moved](0). Congress could send a special envoy to investigate this and find out right now if this is a ruse or not. Do you think they should?

[0] https://youtu.be/r-zjLas_WbM

Probably somewhere along the specifying people and corporations that are conducting illegal activities - such as withholding information from congress and even killing people to protect this information. Even if congress doesn’t refer him to the justice department for perjury, the billion dollar defense contractors he’s making these allegations about should have no trouble suing him for defamation and false accusations.

He’s testified under oath to the ICIG who found his claims “urgent and credible” ( which are legal terms. Credible meaning he’s corroborated some claims, and urgent meaning the ICIG had to forward the claims to the intelligence committees in both chambers of congress.

So with your idea, the ICIG is in on it too?

I haven’t asked anyone to look up anything. I’m just discussing what’s in the article and the sources the article is referencing. I’m happy to give people plenty of things to read or watch to catch up if you’d like - I won’t make you sleuth for it in my comment history.

Average person can’t do anything. Congress can investigate and subpoena any and all people involved and force them to disclose what they know. They can also use eminent domain to take the purported technology.

I’ll just say, he’s testified under oath to the ICIG who found his claims “urgent and credible” (which are legal terms). So with your idea, the ICIG is in on it too?

He’s made accusations against specific people and corporations saying they’ve been involved in illegal activities and withholding information from congress. People do go to jail for false accusations of this order

There is actually still a barrier both militarily and commercially until. The military still has mostly no formal structure for UAP reporting. AARO is working to set that up but only has a portion of the Naval Air Force set up and not any other branch. Commercially, there is nothing. I believe congressmen are writing a law that requires the reporting of UAP by commercial airliners but that won't go into effect until at least mid next year. So while pilots may have this data, they don't have a formal way to report it other than showing it to a buddy.

I hope this gets resolved soon, but I also hope this data doesn't become immediately classified.

Or this situation gives the dogmatic hacker news posters something to hit refresh for

You're right to be skeptical of his claims. At the very least, you should support Congress investigating this issue. Because either there are some crazy people with access to the most sensitive state secrets we own, or they are telling the truth and there's been a major coverup for the last 90 years hiding non-human intelligence visiting this planet from elsewhere, and there's technology far beyond what we have created.

Well, here’s some of the most interesting videos I’ve seen taken by people.

* https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/13dmaif/black_triangl...

* https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/12kaed7/2010_ufo_that...

* https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/t4smpl/flyby_uap_foot...

* https://imgur.io/a/seWVHB6

I’ve done some basic research and can attest none of these are at least CGI made. Some of these predate photoshop. The issue with all of these videos are they are hard to prove definitively without corroborating sensor data. But they are interesting none the less.

Most planes aren’t equipped with any camera systems. The videos commercial pilots and passengers use are their phones which have trouble focusing on objects half a mile away (which is very close for an aircraft to be next to another one but very far for your phone to focus on).

Military pilots do have camera systems like the ATFLIR pods on F-18s but the pentagon only declassifies those videos when it’s useful - like when the Chinese jet made an American military plan fly through its fumes recently

Grusch has made the allegations that specific people and defense contractors are involved in illegal operations and are illegally withholding information from congress. So if you don’t think he will be tried for perjury as that article might claim, he can certainly be sued for false accusations. These are heavy allegations that go beyond just the standard lie

> do US intelligence officers make completely truthful statements as a public as a practice?

No. Intel (especially counter intel) officers are, trained to give information to convince someone of a certain context. Whether that information is true depends on the situation.

But it’s certainly not common for anyone to lie under oath, especially when they are testifying that specific people and corporations are involved in illegal operations. He’s opened himself up to not only perjury, but also lawsuits of false accusations. I don’t think the billion dollar defense contractors would have any trouble suing David Grusch if he’s lying.

Pilots, both commercial and military, are constantly under scrutiny to maintain a healthy mental state for fear of their license being revoked. You can not be mentally unstable and be a pilot. For years it was generally well accepted that people who believed in UFOs are crazy, so pilots have kept this to themselves for fear of retribution. Go ask any pilot how they would feel reporting something moving in unexplainable ways right up against their aircraft.

How many times have you or any other intelligence official you know lied under oath to the ICIG or congress?

I’m not looking up some random online comment’s credentials to try to prove their own point. Your comment doesn’t stand on its own and if you’re not willing to clarify your credentials further then your argument is moot.

1. Grusch gave up his career in the intelligence community to whistleblow on this. He had everything to lose.

2. Grusch has testified under oath to the ICIG, both intelligence committees, and now to the house oversight committee. If he’s locking, they could lock him away indefinitely.

Your entire argument is moot and you are looking for any excuse to discredit what’s being said. If you think he’s lying, ask your congressmen to investigate his claims and jail him if he’s lying.

Certainly to me, especially given he’s testified under oath to multiple congressional committees and the ICIG. He’s made some outrageous accusations that absolutely need to be investigated. Either he’s lying and we have crazy people in very high levels of government, or he’s not and we need to get this information into the public domain.

What was your rank? How many SAPs were you read into?

Having Top Secret SCI clearance does not give you immediate access to every SAP you request to be read into. Most people are not read into more that a dozen SAPs.

I’ll also point out that if Grusch was an unexceptional IC officer, the pentagon would easily be able to discredit him as such. To date, the pentagon has not attempted to say anything about Grusch’s credibility. Many reporters have stated on the record that Grusch is very well regarded as a high level intelligence official.

What evidence do you have that this guy was not an exceptional officer, other than maybe you yourself were not exceptional?

Part of the issue is the stigma. Commercial pilots are afraid to come forward, and that’s why Ryan Graves came to this meeting because his mission is to reduce the stigma so pilots feel safe reporting this issue.

But there are democrats joining republicans in investigating this. Senator Gillibrand and Chick Schumer have introduced legislation specifically targeting this.

Grusch gave program names, people involved, and locations of these special access programs purported to be reverse engineering non human technology to the ICIG and both intelligence committees in congress. Call your congressman and ask if he is credible.

> They were all regular joes with uneventful military careers

Grusch was a GS15 NGA officer that was read into over 2000 special access programs and prepared/delivered the presidential daily briefing in 2021. He’s quite literally one of the most credentialed intelligence officers in the US.

Dave Fravor was second in command of the USS Nimitz and is recognized as one of the top fighter pilots to come out of Top Gun.

You haven’t provided a source for any of this.

Let’s just look at the facts here. Grusch has given congressmen locations of where these alleged craft are held, program names that the SAPs are hiding under, and names of people involved. Congress could very easily get to the bottom of this by appointing a special envoy with a full top secret SCI clearance to go investigate these locations, and they could subpoena the people that Grusch has pointed out who are involved with the programs. This could be resolved in a week if they would just do that, so why not let them investigate this really quickly?

> Doesn't this seem like science-fiction driven psyops?

This whole thing is *way* weirder than anything else I’ve ever experienced in my life.

This certainly could be one giant psy-op, but then we have to wonder why it would go so deep as to have people testify under oath to congress about it and convince the senators to unanimously pass legislation to force disclosure of “non-earth origin” technology to them. What’s the reason to go this deep just to confuse an adversary?

Then again, what if there is something way weirder going on here?

Regardless of what the outcome is, I think everyone should be in support of congress trying to get to the bottom of it.