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Indeed, Trudeau had the whole state-funded media to use as his propaganda apparatus on his side - and it's why free speech is under threat trying in Canada and elsewhere, them trying to manufacture consent by so-called "hate speech" for the fascists to gain more control to censor-suppress dissidents who see what they really are.

I stand corrected that it Sloly was the 2nd police chief during the protest, not sure how or when I warped that in my mind to thinking that he was the 2nd resignation.

My point still stands though and as you say: he was pressured to resign because he wouldn't do what the politicians were demanding of him - which is in line with your "failure to perform" claim.

The actions then done under the Emergencies Act to "clear" the Freedom Convoy from downtown were found to have been illegally invoked.

And you know crime in Ottawa went down during the Freedom Convoy too, right?

Have you put your shoes in the Freedom Convoy participants at all I wonder to balance your perspective? Do you care about the RCMP horses trampling and breaking bones of an elder disabled indigenous woman, who just moments before was basically preaching about love and peace?

I can find that video for you if you'd like, if you haven't seen it.

Otherwise it's not worth it to put anymore of my time to debate this one on one, when I'm responding to someone who tries to support their argument with "when most sources agree" without citing any sources, and where I can predict which sources you'll cite.

That stopped after the judge gave an injunction. That judge also said the protest could otherwise continue as was a Charter right.

What evidence do you have for your stance?

For my evidence I'll reference this top upvoted comment that references actual truths, realities on the ground:

"Does the economist know what time it is? Nationalism is resurgent: nationalist parties now control the U.S. and Italy. Canada seems poised to Poilievre, who has made impassioned appeals to Canadian nationalism. And in Germany, France, and the U.K., nationalist parties have effectively rendered the governing coalitions impotent, even if they cannot yet command a majority. What a time to suggest that Canadians cede their sovereignty to bureaucrats in far-away Brussels!" - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42591290

I think people are quite tired of the harms of a centralized globalization effort - whether from a decentralized cabal or official part of law and official government agreements.

"Fun" mode activated:

A long time ago, in a forum not so far away...

HACKER NEWS: THE DESCENT INTO CHAOS

It is a period of declining discourse. Hacker News, once a beacon of insightful tech discussion, has fallen into disarray.

Rebel posters, once armed with knowledge and wit, now find themselves drowned out by an onslaught of low-quality comments, reminiscent of the darkest corners of social media.

The once proud community, known for its intellectual rigor, now echoes with the vacuous banter typical of...

FACEBOOK.

In their quest for upvotes, users have traded depth for memes, substance for sensationalism.

Will the spirit of true tech conversation be restored, or will Hacker News forever be lost to the abyss of likes and shares?

The fate of meaningful dialogue hangs in the balance...

grok/: write an introduction text similar to the Star Wars intro, where it's talking about how Hacker News forum has turned into Facebook's low level quality comments

Answer:

In a galaxy not so far away, where once thrived a beacon of intellectual discourse, the revered forum known as Hacker News has fallen to the dark side.

Long ago, in an era of enlightenment, this platform was a sanctuary for the tech-savvy, a place where ideas soared and innovations were born. But now, the force of mediocrity has swept through its ranks.

The once-lucid threads, filled with insightful comments and thoughtful debate, have been overshadowed by the shadow of banality. Like the sprawling empire of social media, the quality of discussion has plummeted, mirroring the low-level, superficial chatter found on the likes of a certain blue and white social network.

The age of wisdom has given way to the reign of memes, where upvotes are traded not for substance, but for the fleeting thrill of viral content. In this new era, the Hacker News we once knew is but a distant memory, lost in a sea of triviality.

And thus, the saga continues...

EDIT TO ADD: And that wasn't even in "fun" mode!

You don't need precision with a herd. You need to send them in a general direction to "trample" and for just a few of the more skilled-competent ones to feel emboldened and righteous in their vigilante justice - not being competent enough to understand the vast complexities and nuances of every situation.

There's a shocking amount of #EatTheRich crowd totally happy with the assassination as supposedly justified vigilante justice.

Divide and conquer. The weaponized ideological mob is quite the useful herd to wield.

Well, that rule would apply to people who are generally arrogant.

So does that word use allow us to insinuate this is more likely propaganda towards manufacturing consent towards certain laws being implemented?

There's been another recent push in certain countries for authoritarian-like policies, and so I would be skeptical and criticize such articles as potentially being propaganda to try to manufacture consent towards acceptance of implementing policies such as "everyone will need to register and be known to the [authoritarian] state, so we know if you are 16 years old or not;" rather than putting that responsibility on the parents and creating laws to require technology to make that easier for the parents to manage vs. abdicating that responsibility to a so-called nanny state [which even if well intentioned then is a single point of failure-capture for bad actors].

I suppose the hope is that if relatively good people, maybe bad actors but with certain limits, if they get exposed to or inadvertently the "opportunity" to be involved in higher orders of magnitude of bad - that they may then act as a light that helps create cracks in the armour to expose such horrific behaviour?

Aka civil society.

Yeah, it's a lower bar to charge with war crimes and crimes against humanity. Genocide charges can come later.

The proof you provide is very shallow, and with no real relevance or weight as an argument point - when it's known that the US and Israel have veto powers, as an example, that most international organizations currently are theatre without teeth - and so that's essentially why it's "fairly unprecedented."

Now Netanyahu has done enough blatantly, what's argued by some to be the most video/photographed-recorded genocide in history, the hierarchy and people resource hierarchy of the ICC hasn't fallen to Israeli political pressure (or whatever other tactics Mossad is known to use to try to get their way).

Once again, your final point is more neutral - where you could only really honestly say that if in a vacuum, if you're not looking behind the scenes with how much pressure Israel has put publicly and privately on members of the ICC to not file nor then issue charges, etc.

Good thing that's not how laws are formed - "your" not recognizing authority doesn't mean "you" haven't committed the war crimes or other illegal act that international organization has charged you with; so far it's worked that veto power can immediately suppress action even when the rest of the organized-civilized world is against you, where so far most international organizations have been for theatre - but where we have an opportunity for them to finally have teeth.

Interesting turn of phrase you used - it is in fact a leap, as you're making assumption you put forward as fact in your mind; how often do you do that?

Countless people are accusing him of genocide, including the ICC, and it certainly looks like a genocide by me; the problem with this discussion is no one defending the side accused of genocide will actually get into details of defining what could actually constitute genocide - so keeping it up in the air vague, which then allows them to not actually stand for it or against it - because there's nothing defined; most people have a wrong legal definition in their head for what constitutes genocide as well.

Personally yes, from what I have seen, the rhetoric from high up Israeli politicians and government officials, I would argue it's genocide.

The ICF has concluded officially as well that it is apartheid - and that those itnernational rules apply to Israel.

Straw man argument. I didn't make the claim the ICC accused the ICC of genocide, however Netanyahu is now at minimum now officially wanted for war crimes.

ICC and ICJ are different, yes.

dang,

Any strange upvote/downvote activity going on in this thread?

Watching my own replies votes going up and down, makes me think of the "THERE WAS A FIREFIGHT!" GIF: https://tenor.com/search/there-was-a-fire-fight-gifs

E.g. Going to 2 then down to 0, back up, back down and stabilizing again at 0; of course sophisticated coordinated activity will pace itself, even if across real users, as to not "waste their ammo" or be blatantly obvious; makes me wonder if there have been any studies analyzing this.. anywho. Back to life.

Can't you place that exact same argument on the side of the Palestinians, and add more weight to their claim - where the international community so far has allowed this, due to reason (whether money involved in politicians toeing a line or not), and so the courts decisions and political bias are more likely to favour Netanyahu over the Palestinians?

There never seems to be much critical thinking on the quick one-liners that on the surface appear to often be one-liner propaganda talking points used for deflection, to give an easy memorable line for an otherwise ideological mob to learn-train them with to then parrot.

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And the only counterweight for a person accused of genocide who is claiming they haven't committed war crimes or genocide, while they call this action "antisemetic" - the only way to determine if they are being genuine in claim it is antisemitism or political-manipulation (demonization) tool is to go to court and see all of the evidence presented.

Either 40,000+ people dead or seemingly nearly all Palestinian's civilian infrastructure being destroyed, both warrant being witnessed and investigated by the international community with a fine tooth comb, no?

The ICC isn't some amateur city court in some backwaters country, it is the current epitome and evolutionary state from effort and passion of humanity towards holding the line for justice.

I first thought you were going to point out how the misuse of the word "antisemitic" is especially problematic here:

Do the vast majority of people not understand correlation vs. causation? Because Netanyahu is Jewish does not mean an action against him is because he's Jewish.

That they are willing to use such "cry wolf" tactics, abusing it, dilutes their credibility at minimum - and then should bring their integrity into question, just for this misrepresentation of calling this action antisemitic.

And I'll steel man your argument for a moment, and echo what others in this thread have commented: what if it requires someone who's as much of an "egotistical megalomaniac" as Elon is but that understands the need for freedom of person, to give them the drive to fortify all of society against tyranny? What's that worth to humanity? Invaluable, no

And what if you could have compassion for Elon instead of imbalanaced judgement, to try to understand where do you think his drive may have come from? Could it have stemmed from immense stress and/or self-esteem issues that most, if not all of us have - whether we know we have them or not, whether they drove us to succeed to the same degree or not? Maybe you've been "fortunate" to not have to experience that or that that the way you coped with it led you on a different path than Elon's trajectory?

Also, with your ad hominem as the start of this message, does that make you any better than Elon for offhand calling someone a pedophile? I'd argue your judgement and emotional regulation ability is at minimum equal to his, but probably worse, but that you also have resentment and don't put much thought into things - you just have to impulsive write 3 short sentences to quell whatever amount of emotion that you couldn't instead just let pass you by - to "let go" of it, instead venting on HN in a drive-by comment.

P.S. In your profile you say you should stop being bothered by your karma score. I'd argue it's not a problem itself, however what you do need to - would benefit to work on - are emotional regulation practices, e.g. developing stress regulation skills for your body and mind, where there's a biofeedback loop: stressful thoughts cause stress in the body, stress-filled body causes stressful thoughts - so you have 2 avenues to address and learn to : your body and your mind. Note that as you begin to find practices that allow your body to calm that will allow space in your mind for old trauma-stresses to arise, old-unprocessed memories that you probably don't even realize are there and are still causing you stress and directing your behaviour will surface, and you will need to learn how to process those.

P.P.S. You can either cower by the mob, and coddle yourself, avoiding the possible flood of downvotes that can occur when you respond in threads about Elon Musk or other "hot topics" - attracting the gaze and often knee-jerk reaction of downvotes and replies by the ideological mob who despises Elon, to keep your "precious" karma score regulated and avoid it going down - a fear , or ideally you learn to regulate yourself and learn to discern if people actually replying to you with words have any valid logical counter-points to what you've written - or if you're willing to be so gracious and potentially willing to be embarrassed, you can spend time to explain yourself and counter what they've said - or perhaps learn something new; of which your reply just let us all know that your use of ad hominem tells us a lot about you, but really nothing serious to consider about Elon.

And no, I didn't write any of this for you, although I'd be grateful if any of it began to resonate with you - a blessing for you if your reactivity didn't cause you to recoil and avoid my words for long enough that you can maybe take a moment to focus on your breathe up to a 10 count or until you notice your body and notice that your stress has at least stabilized, if not begun to calm down, so then you can begin to read again, rinse and repeat - the practice and exercise first perhaps being noticing how just reading words are causing a physical reaction in your body; or perhaps your body is so locked up in stress that you aren't even able to notice the stress changes in your body, and so then I'd recommend a holistic health practice like 75-90 minute Bikram hot yoga classes to kick your ass and break through your hardened shell that's a disservice to you by blocking nuanced signals for you to discern with; the most subtle and nuanced of signals arguably being when you develop practices to the degree of having the ability to have such a still mind the the most subtle pieces of memory or strands of thought that haven't yet been processed are able to be felt, essentially the feeling of cognitive dissonance - perhaps only recognized as a queer or off feeling that you haven't yet even come to understand yet to label yet as cognitive dissonance, which then hopefully will then allow you to consciously direct your attention to discern to see if there is cognitive dissonance; this is what blocks most people's development, that off feeling instead of consciously examining it, they instead develop an avoidant coping mechanism.

And some evidence towards this idea, that even if Elon is a megalomaniac, it is far better for us - and he knows it is far better for him and society as a whole - that he isn't a no holes barred megalomaniac, that he won't make a deal with the devil - a far easier path to riches and maintaining so-called power - control - than if giving into the methods of honeypots and blackmail-extortion that catches a web of easily manipulable-weak individuals who must now toe the line of some invisible puppet masters, who often use providing children to be raped as their lure and temptation offered-provided: https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1854339192794251529 (of which we now know the Advertising Industrial Complex is a clear pathway for funding-rewarding those toeing the line as part of the censorship-suppression-narrative control apparatus that the globalist cabal has required ; and if anyone's reaction to anything I've written above is to ask me how tight my tinfoil hat is fitting, or use conspiracy theorist as a defamatory slur, examine your conscience and your heart deeper - for otherwise you are currently more than less easily manipulable by bad actors you want to fortify against.

Thanks for the opportunity to keep my mind busy - the excruciating pain I have to try to cope with today especially is near killing me; if you care to know why I'll spend so much time understanding something, it's not because I'm obsessed or a "fanboy" of Elon as I could preemptively predict could be your next flyby comment.

I'd recommend you feel more-better, connect to your body, so then you can think more-better.

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He cares about freedom and the spark of consciousness, of which he requires a foundation of a strong and free country; maybe you're being perfectionistic, e.g. The Selfish Gene?

"Some" cash + mucho shares in overinflated company?

You can't think of any differentiation, pros/cons, that may warrant supporting multiple different approaches?

It appears the establishment and "big tech" - not all but those toeing the same line, are happy for him to be there, and protective of him.

I immediately thought of this substitute teacher who was mispronouncing all of the students names during row call: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DoNLC1UALSI