lostjohnny

I came here to see if someone already mentioned Colossus.

Funny trivia: there are parts of that movie shot in Rome, my city; you can see the Vatican, San Peters, the Orange Garden, the Janiculum and Isola Tiberina, specifically the hospital "Fate bene fratelli", where I was born.

The Americans meet there with Russians, joining forces to stop Colossus, and you can see written on a wall a mirrored "W Lenin".

The writing was actually there before they shot the movie, it was not added on purpose and stayed there until not long ago.

https://i.imgur.com/wIha0mr.png

> As I said, AFAIK the right to be forgotten doesn't give you the right to delete any information. It just gives you the right to remove some information from appearing in search engines.

Sorry, probably lost in translation.

I never said you have the right to delete any information, just you private informations and any data you own and you ask the controller to delete.

I don't know if you are aware that in EU for EU citizens we have the GDPR legislation.

Let's cite the law, Article 17, GDPR legislation

> Art. 17 GDPR

> Right to erasure (‘right to be forgotten’)

> The data subject shall have the right to obtain from the controller the erasure

> of personal data concerning him or her without undue delay and the controller

> shall have the obligation to erase personal data without undue delay

https://gdpr.eu/article-17-right-to-be-forgotten/

In particular, the controller has the right to retain your personal data (including the data you posted publicly) until you consent to it, if you revoke the consent, you can ask to stop the processing (art. 18) and delete everything they have about you.

If you comment on a social network, for example, that comment identifies you, because it is linked to your username, it has metadata attached to it, it can be used to track you, it is considered personal data, you can ask for removal.

Unless there is a (very) valid reason, the controller has to comply and delete every copy of the data, including backups (and soft deleted data that's still there).

This!

The right to be forgotten (or to oblivion) is just the right to have your private informations deleted and the guarantee that what you delete online is really deleted and nobody can recover it.

It's not the right to be removed from other's people memory.

I just said it won't save the planet.

I could live of tomatoes, because I love them, not because I think I'm part of some kind of world salvation army.

> Besides, the a primarily vegetarian diet doesn't necessarily mean no meat

Just eat less.

If you eat less, you automatically balance your diet.

You could live of three pieces of beef junkie a day for a long time, that's not so bad for environment as well.

They made you believe that "meat production is so absurdly energy, land, and water intensive" but that's because our information system is mainly based on the US lifestyle, the land of freedom (to destroy other people lives).

I grew up in places like this, where meat production is almost a natural process.

https://reportagedotcom.files.wordpress.com/2018/11/pascolo-...

The more you eat, the more the spectrum moves towards junk food.

Beyond true hunger, it's only addiction.

Addictions are never a good thing.

> Look at Indians instead

I'm Italian my friend.

We live of vegetables, but we don't try to create the myth of the "mostly vegetarian diet" like most do about Indians.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-43581122

EAT LESS, that's all we have to do.

> If I want the local grocery cashier not to greet me by name, I can’t make them forget me.

You can go to another grocery store.

It's your right.

Sometimes solutions are simple.

Rest assured that in a few months nobody will remember you at the old store.

> The information it holds is shared knowledge accessible to everyone.

Unless I want to delete what's mine.

I have no obligation of leaving it there for others to read.

> Contrast burning your photos with burning all copies of a book

That's a very wrong comparison.

You burn many copies of a single book

While I defend the right of deleting a single copy of the private work of a single human

Just like a painter has the right to destroy their own paintings.

it's already happened before

it is a right and it is unalienable

https://news.artnet.com/art-world/blu-destroys-bologna-stree...

https://www.streetartbln.com/blu-murals-painted-over/

Probably means probably.

On the same (wrong) line of thinking we can't say humans can walk because some of them can't.

Not all birds fly as well...

besides, some animals are better than others for testing purpose.

Mice are well known for having a great memory, testing mice for memory makes sense.

Recent studies proved that mice memory cells work on experiences and not on places, just like ours.

> Primarily vegetarian diets and less driving would make mountains of difference for the world.

No, it wouldn't.

Look at pandas, they are bears (omnivores, like us), living on a primarily vegetarian diet.

They sleep 16 hours a day and when they are awake they eat, because a vegetarian diet is not really energy efficient.

If we are talking about a true vegetarian diet, environmental friendly.

if we are talking about "I can be mostly vegetarian because I buy integrators from the drugstore" that's the same of eating fried chicken intensively farmed 4 times a day, in large quantities, for the environment.

What most western cultures should aim for is eating raw food, completely avoid processed food and, most of all, EAT LESS.

you can't have a memory of something that hasn't stimulated you in some way.

You don't remember the faces of all the people you meet on the way to work, even though they usually are the same people everyday.

> Just because an animal can't tell the difference between the real and artificial memory does not mean a human couldn't do the same.

In the same way, we can't tell humans can do it without testing the hypothesis first.

If animals can, probably we can, if animals can't, it's possible that we can't as well.

> "right to be forgotten" type of policy

The right to be forgotten is a right, as the name suggests.

It always existed, if I want to be fogotten IRL I can, why shouldn't it be possible online?

What's the difference between deleting my social timeline and burning my pictures or my diary?

One of my favourite books is "The Late Mattia Pascal" (Il fu Mattia Pascal) from Luigi Pirandello, it was written in 1904 and it's the story of a man who's unhappy and one day discovers that his wife and mother in law found a body and declared it to be his own, so he becomes officialy a dead person.

He takes advantage of the fact to escape his true identity and create a new one, settling in Rome, far from were he was born.

The story is fascinating and a masterpiece about what's really "identity", how we all wear masks and how we all are different (sometimes very) people depending on who you ask.

> It's not a rank, it's a (bad) efficiency metric, which says that Ukrainian and Kazakhstan HC is "more efficient" than Russian, and that Chilean HC is "more efficient" than that of Denmark.

They are, according to the World health Organization.

Ukrainian healthcare system is more efficient than Russian because you don't have remote regions that have very little or no chances of being reached in case of emergency.

Chile and Denmark are basically at the same level, it shouldn't be a surprise that many South American countries rank at the same level of some western countries.

If you look at the ranking created by other entities, it's more or less the same, even though they used different metrics.

You will always find mostly European countries in the top 20s.

Italy and France really are among the best in the World when it's about healthcare.

USA really is shitty, even though they have the highest spending per capita.

The methodology is well explained, there's an entire chapter explaining it, they are not 'Comparing different countries using a single "performance"', your rebuttal is rebutted.

My family comes from poverty and hard work, my grandmother died last November at the age of 96, she worked, mainly as a farmer, her entire life up until 3/4 years ago.

I've never seen her tired, she never looked like she was not gonna finish what she started because it was too much.

Truth is physical work is hard only if you're not used to it.

Your body adapts to the amount of energy you give to it.

The harder the job, the more it takes to adapt, but it happens.

Well, unless we're talking about extreme malnutrition, but I've honestly never seen it in the west, not even in the deep country of central Italy, where my family comes from.

After a while working the fields is a lot less hard than climbing a dozen steps twice a day after you sat all day eating snacks, drinking sodas and basically not exercising at all.

Hard work today, IMHO, is working at Amazon's storage facilities, where stress adds up to what's basically legalized slavery and the workers cannot even work at their own pace because they have to work at the machines speed.

Well, you're right!

It's not entirely solved yet, we still have to die sometimes...

It means that in Europe universal healthcare is almost a solved problem, according to WHO (World Health Organization) 6 out of the first 10 and 16 out of the first 20 highest ranked healthcare systems are in Europe.

source: https://www.who.int/healthinfo/paper30.pdf

> So there's a large group of mostly women who

enjoy what they do

> so

other people can do other jobs that the aforementioned women benefit from, such us public hospitals, roads, railroads, public transport etc. etc. etc.

FTFY, dear American friend

The state!

Have you ever heard about public schools?

They are a thing in Europe.

have you ever heard of family?

Kids usually have four grand parents (sometimes less, sometimes more)

> Expensive medical treatments

Again. Universal healthcare solved that in Europe.

It is expensive, but it's a shared cost that benefits everybody.

> Maybe the biggest lie is pretending to be able to predict the future

Maybe, but back then they didn't have the means to care for more than a few days at a time, to think about the future.

If they could have done it, they would have done it.

it's a different job.

it's equally hard, one could argue it's not equally heavy, but many athletes today exercise way more than what the typical medieval "drunk till the early morning ready to beat his wife and kids" farmer did.

I think everyone older than 30 does.

I also have the habit of pressing it more than one time, every time I press it.

I'm not even be sure that save will really save.

it is because most jobs are payed by the hour and that's how salary is calculated at the end of the month

> The 40h a day week and modern-day work contracts come as a direct evolution of medieval servitude, with little modification.

Citation needed

It really come from workers rights to have a life outside the workplace AND a salary even when they could not work (what we call safety).

In medieval servitude there was no life outside the workplace, nor safety.

Pre-induistrial workers worked less, on the average, because they were surviving

They were working when they needed money and not working (AKA doing some other job for the house or the family, like farming or breeding cows and pigs) when they had enough to go on for maybe a week or so.

Life was on the edge back then.

You had an accident, any kind of accident, you were ruined.

There was no safety net, of any kind.

> it's a game of face time, who sends most emails past midnight, and who is willing to sell more of their personal life and squeeze other people out of theirs

It's not in Europe, for example, where we don't think that socialism is a curse word, we think it is necessary for the progress of society as a whole.

I will quote one of my favourite computer scientist ever, Joe Armstrong, creator of Erlang, that unfortunately recently passed away.

> Yes - happy days. At the time I was working a 6 hour day due to the enlightened Swedish child care policies. Parents of young children are entitled to work 80% of full time - good for creativity and family life. Result 2 kids and a new programming language.

source: https://twitter.com/joeerl/status/1067720315151810560

Never needed a car in the past four years in Milan and the year before in Bologna, Italy, and when it happened I could rely on car-sharing services or very cheap rentals.

But I'm originally from Rome, where I spent most of my life, and without a car in Rome you're pretty much f*ed.

> That's a good advice unless "being yourself" sucks. "Be yourself" is non-advice

That's not objective though, "you suck" is entirely subjective, it also depends on context and, in the end, if someone you work with thinks you suck, just talk to them.

> Some aspects of yourself aren't really working in some environments

So change environment, because sooner or later they will show up.

And if you repress them, they will show up amplified.

Imagine if we spent the same amount of money wasted on countless JS frameworks to build Xanadu...

Or just be yourself, don't give a f* about what people think and don't be an asshole just for the sake of it.

Interacting with people is like driving: you have to avoid crashing into others, but sometimes you make a mistake and others will avoid crashing into you. And wear seat belts.

You might find this interesting

https://twitter.com/wrathofgnon/status/1025260110967238656

> No it's not

There are people in their 90s swimming in freezing water

Would you say it is ok for everybody?

What kind of discussion are you trying to have?

> That doesn't sound like a small percentage.

And what accounts for the remaining 76%?

You are trying to force Netherlands way as if it is the only one.

But Netherlands is a very _uncommon_ place.

> What would you change in that picture?

Why would I want to change anything?

Can you see that there are vast areas for walking in that picture?

Do you think there aren't other small cities in the World where bike is the preferred vehicle?

This is Ferrara, Italy [1] [2]

This is Bologna, Italy [3] [4] [5] [6]

Can you see the large pedestrian areas?

I think they're even more beautiful then Deen Haag.

I've lived in Bologna for 2 years, I never had to drive a car or ride a bike, because I could walk.

Because they're also also very small (the size of Deen Haag) and everything is close.

Now let's talk about big cities:

Large areas for walking means that other vehicles have their spaces as well

Small areas for walking means that ONLY vehicles have their own spaces (streets have to be big enough for cars, but sidewalks can be reduced to a bare minimum or eliminated completely [7] <- this is in Rome) which make moving painful for the majority of citizens, especially the low income ones that cannot afford to own a car or to live near the workplace or people with kids or people with reduce mobility, that's why they then switch to using cars, because streets are not safe for them and bike lanes wouldn't change a thing.

[1] https://italoamericano.org/sites/default/files/styles/crop_s... [2] https://www.lautomobile.aci.it/fileadmin/_processed_/6/1/csm... [3] https://media-cdn.tripadvisor.com/media/photo-s/15/d6/28/b2/... [4] https://cdn.civitatis.com/italia/bolonia/tour-bicicleta-bolo... [5] https://media.audleytravel.com/-/media/images/home/europe/it... [6] https://www.bolognawelcome.com/imageserver/gallery_big/files... [7] https://www.larena.it/image/policy:1.5942827:1504744507/imag...