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mattmaroon··on DIY Soft Drinks
Several reasons. Texture and freeze-thaw stability are the main reasons. The latter being an issue for home use mainly.

Your freezer’s self-defrost works by getting a little warm and then cold again. That causes ice crystals to melt and re-freeze, which is the opposite of what you want. Gums help with that and that’s why it’s in most of the ones you see at the grocery store.

They also can be used to give body to things that don’t have as much protein, like sorbets.

mattmaroon··on DIY Soft Drinks
Ha yeah. That whole thing is kind of crazy.
mattmaroon··on DIY Soft Drinks
Oh! I knew they sold it for art but not why.
mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
Methanol will certainly make you go blind if you consume it at too high a ratio, it just isn’t a risk when distilling because you can’t feasibly make that happen on accident and it would be hard to even do it on purpose. I think that’s what parent likely meant.
mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
Also “Angel’s share” isn’t what you throw away, it’s what evaporates from the barrel when you age. What you throw away are the foreshots and parts of the heads and tails
mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
Yeah column stills exist for home use but they’re not very popular. They’re big and expensive and strip flavor. It’s probably because Home distilling, like home brewing, is largely focused on the craft side rather than trying to get drunk cheaply.

If you’re trying to get drunk cheaply, and without tasting liquor, you cannot beat the product and efficiency of a column still.

But I want my whiskey or apple brandy to have the characteristics of the mash I distill it from. A column still would reduce that.

So most home distilling is a pot still for sure.

mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
Thank you for finding these! I remembered they existed but not where
mattmaroon··on DIY Soft Drinks
Small scale: modernist pantry. Commercial scale: Ingredion’s TIC gums. Their pre-hydrated gum arabic is great.
mattmaroon··on DIY Soft Drinks
Well after software I wanted a life that involved a lot less computer usage and a lot more being on my feet. So now I sell beverages via a few food trucks and also syrups people can use to make draft sodas/mocktails. We make everything ourselves because we’re all-natural everything, with the lone exception of Coke products because you just can’t get people to drink anything else.

I basically went from no real knowledge to being able to develop commercial-scale beverages and walk them through all phases of production.

The money’s not as good as software (but decent) and being active rather than sedentary with most of my time has done wonders for my health and mood. Man was not meant to sit in one place for long hours daily and I’m just not a gym rat no matter how many times I tried so I just reengineered my life.

mattmaroon··on DIY Soft Drinks
One pro-tip as I now somehow have a commercial bottling license these days: get pre-hydrated gum Arabic. Much easier to work with. Almost everybody who messes this up will make the mistake at the hydrating the gum Arabic stage. Blend it with any dry ingredients like sugar before using.

If you can’t source it, I’m not going to tell you that you SHOULD pretend to be a bottling company and ask a gum provider to send you some free samples, but you could and the amount they send you will last the rest of your life. TIC gums is pretty awesome and if you’re into frozen desserts has some incredible gum mixtures for ice creams, sorbets, etc.

Also, consider just using water soluble flavor concentrates and skipping emulsification all together. That’s what most pros do and it’s why Sprite isn’t cloudy like it would be if you used oils. My favorite suppliers that sell in consumer and pro-sumer qtys are Apex Flavors and Nature’s Flavors.

This probably won’t work for Cola as I think some of those ingredients have all of their flavor molecules in the oils, but as a general rule, if you can buy it at the store and it is clear, it is made using water soluble. If it is brown it probably isn’t, hence the caramel color additive.

mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
No, I’m not. I’m pointing out that distillation doesn’t work how you were told it does in middle school which is the reflexive argument people are making. The argument that all the methanol comes out early because it has a lower boiling point is simply incorrect. Mass spectromery proves it.

https://pubs.acs.org/doi/10.1021/acsfoodscitech.3c00627

When you get into distilling you learn pretty fast that a lot of what you’ve been told about it is fake due to both deliberate propaganda, and the fact that a lot of it was learned before we had scientific tools to investigate deeper.

You would pretty much have to try to poison yourself distilling and yet everybody thinks it’s a real risk.

Being poisoned by a bootlegger who adds methanol because it’s cheaper (much like fentanyl in opiods) is not a fake risk, and a lot of people who think the first thing happened actually had the second thing happen.

And I’m certainly not criticizing people for this, I went to school for physics and yet was on the other side of this debate when I started distilling before I did research.

mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
It’s more prevalent, and you might reduce the ratio of it, I was just pointing out that more than you expect will remain in even after tossing the fores.

And even if you just distilled until it was basically water coming out, then re-blended everything, you have not significantly worsened the ratio of the two

mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/06/30/fac...

It’s quite common for people to add methanol to illegal liquor because it can be made cheaply from natural gas and is sold industrially everywhere. You are much more likely to be injured buying bootleg alcohol than making it.

mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
If it works that way, why doesn’t ethanol come off the still entirely and then water? There’s over a 20 degree gap between their boiling points and yet anyone who has ever distilled will tell you that they see a mix that’s at least 20% water at the very start. (You measure as you go along.) This is still well below the azeotropic mix too.

And, later on in distillation, when you’re much closer to the boiling point of water than ethanol, there will still be some ethanol coming out.

I get why you think that, I did too before diving deeper, but I assure you, your mental model of how distillation works is incorrect.

mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
Yeah, the thing is as you distill you’re saving it bit by bit as you go along. You toss out the very first stuff (called foreshots) because it contains a number of chemicals with lower boiling points you don’t want (methanol, acetone, etc.) in higher concentration.

Then you get the heads, hearts, and tails and blend them together according to taste. You just wouldn’t get much separation if you distilled a small amount unless you were collecting in really tiny quantities.

So it just becomes harder to do a good job with a small amount.

mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
You throw away the foreshots because they also contain things like acetone that taste bad and may be harmful. They’re highly unpalatable so people can be relied on to do a sufficient job.
mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
Yes. It doesnt work the way you think. When you mix chemicals together and then boil, the result isn’t that simple.

Think of it this way: ethanol boils at 78.5. Water at 100. But when I’m distilling, the first stuff out of the still is coming out at like 80/20 ethanol to water, long before I’m near 100C. The later stuff still has some ethanol in it, even as I near 100C. (You can easily measure while distilling.)

So why would it be surprising that methanol behaved that way as well?

mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
Electric heating does reduce the risk of fire, yes, and some of us do it. (It’s also just a lot easier than a turkey fryer.) I rigged a water heater element up for this purpose.

(Technically there actually isn’t temperature control in distilling, the temperature is just the boiling point of the mixture, which changes over time as the mixture changes from distillation, but you do control the heat input which effects the speed at which you distill. Tangential, but counterintuitive.)

The reason most don’t is just cost/practicality. You really need to have a fair bit of liquid to get good results. Like tenish gallons (~40L). You probably can’t fit a still that big on your stovetop (and you really want to do this outside anyway) and you’d need a 240v connection to provide enough heat. Your standard American wall outlet doesn’t provide enough juice.

But the standard 240v 50a you charge an EV with or, in my case, plug in your RV does. People run drier cords out a window too.

mattmaroon··on Show HN: Pardonned.com – A searchable database of US Pardons
A prosecution can be political even if a crime or tort was committed. Our government prosecutes only a small percent of committed crimes.

If Donald Trump had not run for President, or even had just been a normal President, or maybe even if he’d have done everything he did except for cause January 6, he absolutely would never have been prosecuted for this. The justice system was weaponized against him, even if he was actually guilty, which he surely was.

mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
This is actually a myth. I’ll have to see if I can find the papers I read but mass spectrometry has shown that methanol comes out throughout the entire process. The idea that things come out at their boiling temperature is a drastic oversimplification.

Methanol is really only present in significant amounts in fruit mashes because it comes from fermentation of pectin. Grain or sugar-derived alcohol barely has any at all.

The foreshots you throw out do have things that taste bad and which you would not want to drink much of, but even if you mixed it all back in and got drunk, it would be the same amount of all of those chemicals you’d get if you just drank the mash, which is itself basically just beer or wine.

We distillers are a lot more likely to burn our house down than any other form of injury.

mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
That’s because they adulterate it with methanol. Methanol can be derived from natural gas cheaply. I wrote a long comment above about why this isn’t a risk with home distilling.

The much bigger danger for home distilling is fire, as you have open flames and combustible vapor. The fire codes for a distillery are very strict.

mattmaroon··on US appeals court declares 158-year-old home distilling ban unconstitutional
That’s actually a common myth perpetuated by the American government during prohibition. The Feds added methanol to bootlegged hooch to blind people, then they told people they’d go blind from moonshine to discourage it.

Distillation doesn’t create alcohols, it only concentrates them. The ratio of ethanol to methanol in a distilled spirit will be approximately the same as in the wash it was distilled from. Drinking brandy you’ll get about the same ratio as if you drank the wine it was made from.

You need the same amount of ethanol to get drunk regardless of how you drink it, all distilling does is get rid of that pesky water that’s in beer and wine. (That makes some other fun things like barrel aging possible.) So you’ll also get the same amount of methanol.

Also fun fact: if you got methanol poisoning and went to the hospital the treatment is ethanol, because it blocks the metabolism of methanol. Methanol metabolizes into formic acid which damages the optic nerve.

And contrary to lore, mass spectrometry shows that the idea that methanol comes off the still first (meaning that if you collected the early results, called heads, and drank them, you might get too much) is false or at least drastically oversimplified.

You’d have to try hard to seriously injure yourself drinking home distilled spirits. (I’ve been doing it for 15 years.) Unless you count just drinking too much, but you’d have that problem with the professional stuff too.

mattmaroon··on Show HN: Pardonned.com – A searchable database of US Pardons
No. While I don’t like Trump and never did, several of the prosecutions against him were political. By political, I mean they would not have happened if he had not become a politician, in fact, they didn’t until he became one and an unpopular one at that.

And he’s doing much worse now so that’s two.

mattmaroon··on Missile defense is NP-complete
They’re not going to drop nukes but he’s right about the concept otherwise. We only have to intercept missiles until we blow them (and the factories that make them) all up which we can conceivably do just fine without nukes. That’s the strategy here, which is obvious but whether or not it can be achieved is less so.
mattmaroon··on The bee that everyone wants to save
Which is solid evidence that honey bees have little to do with the problem.
mattmaroon··on Missile defense is NP-complete
Well, it’s less about the value of the interceptor and more about the value of what the drones are heading for. If it’s a desalination plant that makes 20% of your freshwater, eight missiles are probably well worth it because a lot of people can die.

Middle Eastern countries have much more condensed critical infrastructure and economic targets than we do.

Iran has expected a war like this for decades and been continuously preparing, most of the other nations they have not.

mattmaroon··on Mystery jump in oil trading ahead of Trump post draws scrutiny
When I’m old I’m going to commit so many violations of the emoluments clause.
mattmaroon··on Trump Postpones Iran Energy Strikes for Five Days, Citing "Productive" Talks
Jesus this website is an abomination. Javascript popover that animates to try to get under your fingers and constant refreshes.
mattmaroon··on Denmark was reportedly preparing for full-scale war with the US over Greenland
They can be tough to spot. (Which it sort of has to be to be a dog whistle.) Did you spot the one in that resignation letter the other day?
mattmaroon··on Show HN: Will my flight have Starlink?
Yeah I don't know about the math. I've seen numbers that differ significantly from yours, but none which make it profitable at a reasonable price. I am sure he will continue to drop launch costs and I assume satellite improvements will make them able to serve more people, maybe orbit longer as they get smaller.

Or maybe it'll just implode. I hope not.

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