mikert89

This is cope, ai coding agents will follow the path of self driving cars. They will be watched with extreme caution, but will slowly but surely expand outwards. Eventually manually writing code will be considered a dangerous/bug introducing act

You aren’t getting it. They can pay their engineers half what they used to, you don’t need the same level of skill to build photoshop. Yes, you need a bunch of engineers, but they will be driving coding agents, not writing code by hand. They can be hired and fired for cheap

the future is already here, its just not evenly distributed

i think this is farther off, much sooner is just the subjugation of technical workers to be low skill drivers of LLMs

no programming is verifiable, and the major LLM companies are focused on it. its the first domino to fall by probably 5+ years

hahaha i was laughing too, of all companies for someone to defend

ive worked at multiple FAANG, almost always been the only american on a team of 10. theres some huge push by corporations to deny it to justify shipping in more foreign labor.

amazon is crammed full of indians, its one of the worst offenders. i spent 5 years at the company

also nothing impressive about a senior SDE there, maybe 10 years ago it was impressive, best talent has either moved on or is L7+

have you been inside a big tech company? there arent many american fresh grads working there, its mostly foreign

have you been inside any big tech company? lots of orgs are > 80% foreign.

right but we have never seen a tool like this

ofcourse not, but they can pay someone 80k a year to work on the backlog, whereas maybe they used to pay 175k. its not about work going down, its the skill set needed to complete the work is lower than ever, and they need less people than ever

I think the field is basically over as a long term career unless you are truly exceptional. It will become very easy to build most software, and the upper end will be filled with the top people in the country/from abroad.

Wages are certainly going down for most software roles

AI gives more leverage to exceptional people, its an amplifier not an extender

I'll say this, people are seriously underestimating how sophisticated ai outbound sales has gotten. There are certainly startups where 1/3 of the engineers are focused on "go to market engineering", which is a mix of ai messaging and data engineering to automate sales. Its becoming more important than the product in some verticals, people are hand building their own systems

most of this complexity is because 1000 different types of businesses are jammed into the same database schema and ERP. Its all non sense

It’s well known that the moat of system of record is how difficult it is to extract your data into another system.

The big risk for these platforms is that AI reduces the cost to switch to another ERP. IF AI can map all of the data between two different competitors, the whole business model is finished

I think opinions on HN are less relevant and less information dense. Many people here are not keyed into the true trends in the industry, and instead are cynics

You used your most prized mental faculties to build software: logical intelligence, creativity, etc to make someone else rich

its still not enough, and the up leveling is a problem because the people getting hired arent qualified to be upleveled

what are you even trying to argue? that the most critical part of the biggest companies on the planet dont need to pay above market?

i know people at deep mind, its impacting their ability to deliver good products

the fate of the company partially rests on whether deep mind does well, you sound like an MBA

they are paying them like rank and file google employees, aside from a few star researchers

Nowhere near what other ai labs are paying. Most deep mind employees make what typical Google employees make

just less relevant, less social, not as "bright", less with it, more out in space

I’ve heard the pay at deep mind is low and people are complaining about it

google had the best tooling a decade ago...

no these people are deeply tied into the scene