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mmmore··on Klarna CEO: Company stopped hiring because AI 'can do all of the jobs'
If I were a CEO/PR team of large tech company that wanted to downsize, I would probably also say stuff like "AI efficiencies drive long term profitability". That said, I suspect in the short-medium term AI might increase salaries at the high end, but reduce opportunities at the low end. And of course, companies which seriously embrace AI advances, but in sensible ways, will do best.

https://www.klarna.com/international/regulatory-news/klarna-...

mmmore··on Lfgss shutting down 16th March 2025 (day before Online Safety Act is enforced)
Given:

> I do so philanthropically without any profit motive (typically losing money)

the cost (and hassle) of consulting with a lawyer is potentially a lot in relative terms.

That said, I thought that the rule in the UK was generally that the loser pays the winners costs, so I'd think that limit the costs of defending truly frivolous suits. The downside risks are possibly still high though.

mmmore··on Scrabble star wins Spanish world title despite not speaking Spanish
Reportedly, by reading through the list twice and then reciting it to himself on bike rides.[1]

[1] https://youtu.be/T-8NrvVqbT4?si=u797T9o1E-R8TL6J

mmmore··on Scrabble star wins Spanish world title despite not speaking Spanish
Nigel Richards reportedly[1] memorized the full French dictionary over the course of nine weeks (he doesn't speak French either). The way he did this is by reading through the dictionary twice and reciting the words to himself while on bike rides.

He has an incredible mind.

[1] https://youtu.be/T-8NrvVqbT4?si=u797T9o1E-R8TL6J

mmmore··on Launch HN: Double (YC W24) – Index Investing with 0% Expense Ratios
> There are a number of robo-advisor products out there, but none that we know of offer direct indexing without expense ratios or AUM fees.

Yeah, I'm a little confused at what you're offering over existing options (e.g. Wealth front, Betterment, M1). If the answer is just "it costs less" won't you raise prices when it comes time to make money? I suppose "the thing that already exists, but slightly better" is not necessarily bad.

mmmore··on What we know about CEO shooting suspect
> Because of this, just like the first Trump shooter, the media will quickly completely forget about the suspect's politics.

I don't really see this bias existing to the extent you seem to be implying. The first Trump shooter didn't have many apparent political motives, and the second was completely crazy. The media definitely stops talking about things soon after they happen, but I don't have the impression that they're turning the a blind eye to right wing extremism. I mean, just look up "right wing extremism US" on Google news.

I expect that in this case, the shooter's motivations will defy the standard left/right split as more information is released, much like his apparent influence Ted Kaczynski. You mention Rogan, but Rogan supported Bernie Sanders in 2016. I would say liking Rogan shows an anti-authority streak more than anything.

As for why right wing politically motivated attacks seem to be more common than left wing ones, I'd suggest a few causes.

- People who have access to guns, grew up around guns, are willing to buy guns are more likely to be right wing, and are more likely to be identified as right wing for obvious reasons.

- People with low agreeableness and high neuroticism are more likely to be right wing, and those traits perhaps make politically motivated attacks more likely.

- Extremist right wing thought has perhaps been more effective in recruiting followers than extremist left wing thought since the fall of the Soviet Union.

mmmore··on OpenAI o1 system card
1. The model was prompted to follow the original system prompt "at all costs", not the explicitly to plot against the prompter.

2. The point of the test is to determine whether the model has the capability to act against its users and hide those actions, not whether it will under normal circumstances. Some models aren't powerful enough to do so.

3. The behavior occurred even when the "at all costs" was not included in the prompts, though very infrequently.

mmmore··on OpenAI o1 system card
Have you used the best models (i.e. ones you paid for)? And what area?

I've found they struggle with obscure stuff so I'm not doubting you just trying to understand the current limitations.

mmmore··on OpenAI o1 system card
Not only do we very much plan to, we already do!
mmmore··on OpenAI o1 system card
If the model is called by a program which takes the output of the model and runs the commands that the model says to, then takes the output of the commands and passes that back to the model, the model has an effect in the real world.
mmmore··on OpenAI o1 system card
I feel like you're missing the point of the test.

The point is whether the system will come up with plans to work against its creators goals, and attempt to carry them out. I think you are arguing that outputting text isn't running a command. But in the test, the AI model is used by a program which takes the model's output and runs it it as a shell command.

Of course, you can deploy the AI system in a limited environment where its outputs don't trigger arbitrary shell commands, or sandbox/monitor it so that it can't access it's oversight mechanism. But people do already deploy their AI agents with access to the shell. in unsandboxed environments that don't have any monitoring or oversight. Plus, these evaluations are partially to show how much OpenAI has to worry about sandboxing, monitoring, etc.

Moreover, OpenAI has already talked about using its models to automate portions of AI development. In that setup, presumably the AI model would be called by a program deployed on a server with access to the shell, ability to run commands, access to GPUs, etc. It seems pretty important to ensure it robustly does what it's creators intend in that case.

mmmore··on OpenAI o1 system card
What action(s) by the system could convince you that the intent is there?
mmmore··on Minecraft enters real world with $110M global theme park deal
It doesn't sound like there will be standalone Minecraft theme parks, just Minecraft rides at Legoland and other parks. I don't see why you'd be so pessimistic about that.
mmmore··on Bhutan, after prioritizing happiness, now faces an existential crisis
The typical sources are:

- Lead paint

- Water supply

- Lead in cookware

- Lead in spices, especially tumeric, where leaded dye is used to make it more yellow

- Industrial airborne emissions

Leaded gasoline used to be on that list but not anymore. Not sure about the specifics in Bhutan.

If you'd like to help prevent lead exposure in countries like Bhutan, the two charities I know about are Pure Earth and LEEP. Not sure if they have Bhutan programs.

mmmore··on Bhutan, after prioritizing happiness, now faces an existential crisis
If I were tasked with improving Bhutan, one of the things I would focus on is probably lead. 3/4 of Bhutanese children have elevated levels of lead in their blood.

https://www.unicef.org/bhutan/press-releases/national-blood-...

mmmore··on We are shutting down Ondsel
It's sad that this is failing, and sadder still that I, an occasional CAD user, never heard of it even though I really wanted something like this (at least in theory).
mmmore··on New documentary reveals that 21,000 laborers have died working Saudi Vision 2030
Not to justify Saudi Arabian conditions, but if you're more granular than I assume that release is, there are a few professions in the US that have higher yearly fatality rates than 3k/10M = 30/100k including roofers, fishing/hunting, and aircraft pilots. "Helpers in construction trades" have a fatality rate of nearly 40/100k.[1]

Now I don't think 10M is the correct denominator. It's unlikely all those workers are in construction where a lot of the deaths are presumably concentrated. According to this[2], there were around 4.4M foreign construction workers in 2016. 3k/5M (assuming numbers have increased) is 60/100k, so around as dangerous as the most dangerous professions in the US.

But this also doesn't account for the alleged missing.

[1] https://www.bls.gov/charts/census-of-fatal-occupational-inju...

[2] https://iopscience.iop.org/article/10.1088/1755-1315/140/1/0...

mmmore··on Smartphone buyers meh on AI, care more about battery life
Unfortunately, people don't buy small phones as much.

https://youtu.be/iR9zBsKELVs?si=3o1qD-4R7lyezZwt

mmmore··on Gavin Newsom vetoes SB 1047
The concern is that near future systems will be much more capable than current systems, and by the time they arrive, it may be too late to react. Many people from the large frontier AI companies believe that world-changing AGI is 5 years or less away; see Situational Awareness by Aschbrenner, for example. There's also a parallel concern that AIs could make terrorism easier[1].

Yoshua Bengio has written in detail about his views on AI safety recently[2][3][4]. He seems to put less weight on human level AI being very soon, but says superhuman intelligence is plausible in 5-20 years and says:

> Faced with that uncertainty, the magnitude of the risk of catastrophes or worse, extinction, and the fact that we did not anticipate the rapid progress in AI capabilities of recent years, agnostic prudence seems to me to be a much wiser path.

Hinton also has a detailed lecture he's been giving recently about the loss of control risk.

In general, proponents see this as narrowly tailored bill to somewhat address the worst case worries about loss of control and misuse.

[1] https://www.theregister.com/2023/07/28/ai_senate_bioweapon/

[2] https://yoshuabengio.org/2023/05/22/how-rogue-ais-may-arise/

[3] https://yoshuabengio.org/2023/06/24/faq-on-catastrophic-ai-r...

[4] https://yoshuabengio.org/2024/07/09/reasoning-through-argume...

mmmore··on Stephen Fry – AI: A Means to an End or a Means to Our End?
Right now we are not so much choosing to replace ourselves with machines as stumbling into it through hubris and ignorance. If the argument is we should accept our demise to make way for something better, we should be more explicit and deliberate about that. Most people are not imagining that future. And there's not convincing reasons to believe our current path will lead to something "better".

I think you're right that I misread your first two paragraphs though. Sorry.

mmmore··on Stephen Fry – AI: A Means to an End or a Means to Our End?
You're missing the point of the car section. The point isn't that cars were a dangerous technology.

The point is that just as the car replaced the horse, programs on computers are set to replace the human mind. Right now, we see only the beginnings of the trend; inventions which look interesting but limited. But eventually, and perhaps sooner than many believe, the replacement of human cognition will radically transform the world in unprecedented ways.

mmmore··on Chai-1: Decoding the molecular interactions of life
Figure 4 is comparing the model with itself, unless I'm misunderstanding it. The takeaway seems to be the model performs better if you give it extra "constraints", i.e. extra info already known about the protein.

The table with a comparison to alpha fold gives a less than one percentage point improvement.

mmmore··on Chai-1: Decoding the molecular interactions of life
You left out the most relevant comparison:

- nuclear fission, which provides an abundant source of environmentally friendly energy, but allows people to make bombs capable of wiping out whole cities at once (and potentially causing nuclear winter)

But even in that case, I believe that it's a good thing that we have access to nuclear power, and I certainly want us to use more nuclear power. At the same time, I'm very glad that a bomb is hard enough to make that ISIS couldn't do it, let alone any number of lone wolf terrorists. So I think I would apply the same logic to biotechnology; speeding up medical progress seems extremely valuable and I'm excited about how AF and other AI systems can help with this, but we should mitigate the ability for bad actors to use the same tools for evil.

An aspect that's unique about biotechnology that's different in comparison to the examples you gave is that most of those technologies help good and bad people approximately equally, and since there's many more reasonable than crazy people they're not super dangerous.

There's a concern that technologies that make bioengineering easier could make it easier to produce and proliferated novel pathogens, much more so than they make it easier to prevent pandemics; in other words, it favors "offense" more than "defense". The only one example you listed that has a similar dynamic in my mind is the bosch-haber process, but that has large positive downstream effects separate from its use for ammunition. Again, this is not to say we should stop medical progress, but that we should act to mitigate the dangers, and keep this concept in mind as the technology progresses.

That said, I'm not certain how much the current tools are dangerous in this way. My understanding is that there is lower hanging fruit in mitigating these issues right now; for example, better controls at labs studying viruses, and better vetting of people who order pathogens online.

mmmore··on Chai-1: Decoding the molecular interactions of life
Unfortunately this is not always true. For example, one of the architects of the Tokyo subway sarin attacks[1], Masami Tsuchiya[2], had a masters in physical and organic chemistry.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tokyo_subway_sarin_attack

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Masami_Tsuchiya_(terrorist)

mmmore··on Chai-1: Decoding the molecular interactions of life
Does the use of "foundation" and "multi-modal" for describing this model mean anything, or are those just used as buzzwords? Funnily enough, the only place those terms appear in the paper is in the abstract.

Also the paper says they basically copied the methods used for AlphaFold, but then included the ability to input language embeddings, and input some other side constraints that I don't have the biology knowledge to understand. They don't show any data that indicate how much these changes improve performance. They show a very modest improvement over AF3 (small enough that I would think it could be achieve through randomness/small variations in the training parameters). So I don't think this is very revolutionary, but I suppose it replicates AF3.

mmmore··on Chai-1: Decoding the molecular interactions of life
You'd have to work at the RIAA to think that piracy and bioweapons are comparable.

I don't know how much releasing this model is a delta on safety, but we certainly need to do a better job of vetting who can order viruses; my understanding is there's very little restrictions right now. This will become more important as models get more capable.

mmmore··on Lem: Emacs-like editor written in Common Lisp
Maybe it can but it sometimes doesn't.

I remember I looked into a lockup I was experiencing (this was a few years a ago so I forget the mode). Turns out emacs was writing to disk every so often and this was noticeably causing stutters in the main thread.

mmmore··on Lem: Emacs-like editor written in Common Lisp
I use spacemacs and have problems with the editor locking up when some extension does some a lot of work.

There's also a strange bug (at least I think it's a bug and not a feature that I don't know how to use) where the cursor will still exists and clicking will move it around, but the window doesn't respond to keyboard inputs.

mmmore··on Epic vs. Google judge says he'll 'tear the barriers down' on Google's app store
Forcing Google to stop paying Mozilla to be default search engine would surely be terrible for Mozilla, right? That's the vast majority of their income.
mmmore··on Open source AI is the path forward
I appreciate that Mark Zuckerberg soberly and neutrally talked about some of the risks from advances in AI technology. I agree with others in this thread that this is more accurately called "public weights" instead of open source, and in that vein I noticed some issues in the article.

> This is one reason several closed providers consistently lobby governments against open source.

Is this substantially true? I've noticed a tendency of those who support the general arguments in this post to conflate the beliefs of people concerned about AI existential risk, some of whom work at the leading AI labs, with the position of the labs themselves. In most cases I've seen, the AI labs (especially OpenAI) have lobbied against any additional regulation on AI, including with SB1047[1] and the EU AI Act[2]. Can anyone provide an example of this in the context of actual legislation?

> On this front, open source should be significantly safer since the systems are more transparent and can be widely scrutinized. Historically, open source software has been more secure for this reason.

This may be true if we could actually understand what was happening in neural networks, or train them to consistently avoid unwanted behaviors. As things are, the public weights are simply inscrutable black boxes, and the existence of jailbreaks and other strange LLM behaviors show that we don't understand how our training processes create models' emergent behaviors. The capabilities of these models and their influence are growing faster than our understand of them, and our ability to steer them to behave precisely how we want, and that will only get harder as the models get more powerful.

> At this point, the balance of power will be critical to AI safety. I think it will be better to live in a world where AI is widely deployed so that larger actors can check the power of smaller bad actors.

This paragraph ignores the concept of offense/defense balance. It's much easier to cause a pandemic than to stop one, and cyberattacks, while not as bad as pandemics, seem to also favor the attacker (this one is contingent on how much AI tools can improve our ability to write secure code). At the extreme, it would clearly be bad if everyone had access to a anti-matter weapon large enough to destroy the Earth; at some level of capability, we have to limit the commands an advanced AI will follow from an arbitrary person.

That said, I'm unsure if limiting public weights at this time would be good regulation. They do seem to have some benefits in increasing research around alignment/interpretability, and I don't know if I buy the argument that public weights are significantly more dangerous from a "misaligned ASI" perspective than many competing closed companies. I also don't buy the view of some in the leading labs that we'll likely have "human level" systems by the end of the decade; it seems possible but unlikely. But I worry that Zuckerberg's vision of the future does not adequately guard against downside risks, and is not compatible with the way the technology will actually develop.

[1] https://thebulletin.org/2024/06/california-ai-bill-becomes-a...

[2] https://time.com/6288245/openai-eu-lobbying-ai-act/

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