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Exactly. I completely agree with the both sides bit, I just think we've got the direction of priority wrong.
Reduction in consumerism comes downstream from that type of education and outreach. Going at consumerism first just makes you seem like a reactionary who wants to "steal our gas stoves" to the ignorant propagandized, and unfortunately needed, masses
And they could in most cases produce those goods with a more ecological process, but since that requires reducing profit at least in the short term, it won't ever get done without regulation. Which requires political action.
I agree in general with "consumerism needs to also be reduced" but that's just way down stream from the most impactful things conscientious actors can do. Like those prices would reduce consumerism, and I'd rather have complaints about not being able to afford the new iphone than boiling oceans. I still think there's plenty of space to trim in the profit section of the pie before we increase cost.
I never didn't agree with personal action is important, paper straws good technically, all that good stuff, sure. Just mostly negligible vs political action in a perfectly democratic world.
All I meant to get at is that like per "dollar" of effort spent, you get by far the best return on political action. Personal changes are just nowhere near as efficient. Not taking airplanes vs getting a climate conscious politician elected locally quantified would surely demonstrate that? Again though I'm no climate scientist and I'm mostly talking from my ass and a few books about climate.
Useless? Of course not. Completely negligible? Absolutely, 100%. I'm no climate scientist but voting literally once for the party that believes in climate science probably has about a million x the effect of you not going on vacation.
>Be conscious about what we can do as individuals
All I'm contesting is that the most effective thing we can do is participate and organize in politics.
Not going on vacation and markedly decreasing your quality of life to reduce climate emissions by 1x10^-9999999 percent is naively negligible at best, a propagandized (by an oil company nonetheless) abdication of their larger responsibility to participate in politics causing the actual damage as science denying lunatics fill offices around the nation at worst.
Reckless misrepresentation of my comment. I suggested that political action is what you should do, not spend your days worrying about how many plastic straws you used.
I'm suggesting all empirics point to the notion that tackling regulation of corporations would have a trillion x the effects of you not allowing yourself to go on vacation because planes = bad.
I am not suggesting any absolution of responsibility. I'm suggesting we look at the basic math behind carbon consumption and note the pretty clear picture painted by 100 companies producing 71% of emissions.
Voting/organizing for politicians that actually change the subsidies given to fossil fuel companies among a litany of other reductions is and always will be a billion x more productive than needlessly preventing yourself from having a nice vacation.
Never understood the impetus to restrict yourself when we're beyond negligible.
Carbon footprint propaganda was rhetoric popularized by BP themselves to shift the blame to empathetic people like you and your wife, while they continue to make everything worse.
Vote for and organize for serious progressive candidates who take climate seriously in your local elections. That will do a million $ more than you not taking a vacation because of plane emissions while the rich take private flights down to the grocery store.
how on earth can you earnestly suggest things won't be made illegal that will harm people
for people like do kwon and sbf, and many others I probably don't know about, what you said
Aka buying the stuff while you lot were laughing at it and calling them magic internet beans over on /r/buttcoin
Like I said, there's a reason I'm not in charge of any VC stuff and I largely don't invest myself lol.
I wish you the best of luck with your invention though, please never give up and never stop dreaming. People like you even if you never produce it push us ALL forward. Thanks for what you do
The regulations on how many "trainees" can exist at any one time is an interesting point of contention. Honestly, sorry I commented if that's the hold back for you guys.
I still struggle to imagine there is any job a six digit (or local comparative equivalent) salary with a fully paid training won't spur an abundance of candidates for. If your career is one, I'm sorry I so confidently doubted you
Has it also reduced the consumption of any other substances? I wonder what % replaced a different habit.
One side much much much more than the other. Only one side banning mandated water breaks.
"Deep learning will replace radiologists within 5 years" isn't as inherently crazy as it probably seems in hindsight. Sure, it didn't pan out, but I know a vet who works for an Ai company classifying scans for training and he says first hand the models have gotten a lot better. That said, he's still not worried about being replaced.
They at the very LEAST deserve the moral high ground of largely distributing the economic benefits of those fossil fuels to their citizens rather than to a dozen billionaires while their nation's infrastructure becomes dilapidated