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mrchicity··on Hedge Fund Wants to Use Atomic Clocks to Beat High-Speed Traders
ISO limits that create a new price are usually given better priority than Hide-not-slide orders entered with the equivalent working price, even if they were accepted before the ISO limit. Depends on the exchange obviously.
mrchicity··on Hedge Fund Wants to Use Atomic Clocks to Beat High-Speed Traders
This strategy could work, but only on exchanges where your own private trade confirmations are faster than the public quote broadcasts, and only if you can use the information to aggressively trade a different, but highly correlated security.
mrchicity··on Hedge Fund Wants to Use Atomic Clocks to Beat High-Speed Traders
The idea you suggest already exits for stocks in the US with very high prices because the minimum increment doesn't scale with stock price. For example, Google is $700 a share, making the minimum $0.01 price tick equivalent to 0.0014% vs. 0.08% for a $15 stock like Bank of America. HFTs generally don't even bother with stocks like Google because they aren't profitable enough. The rebate and value of making a tick goes down as price increases. This causes spreads to widen and these stocks are generally harder to trade for the buy-side. Not a good situation.
mrchicity··on U.S. investigates market-making operations of Citadel, KCG
I'm assuming by "Joe 401k" you mean someone putting a chunk of their income into an index fund occasionally and keeping it there for the long haul. All of the innovations in the market are good for them without a doubt. Computers can price index ETFs perfectly vs. their constituents so you always get a fair price. Spreads and commissions have never been lower.

Wholesalers make things even better for the retail buy and hold guy by filling them inside the bid/ask spread. The kickbacks they pay to brokers mostly translate into very low brokerage fees. Now you can trade stocks for a few dollars at a penny spread but it was $50 or $100 in commission years ago, with spreads of eighths or quarters, which can really eat into your savings when you're investing a small amount.

The main things I'd say to be wary of are:

a.) Trying to compete with professional intraday traders. Even if you have a good feel for the market, someone faster and smarter is going to beat you to the punch most of the time. The markets are much, much tougher for day traders, and the complex structure makes it easier for sophisticated automated traders to take advantage of them. It's just a waste of time and money.

b.) Trading when the markets are in a crisis mode. Automated market makers don't have as much capital as the big banks did because there's simply less "juice" in the business, so they won't be there buying forever in a falling market. No market maker ever would, but when they were earning quarters instead of pennies, there was more incentive to take on risk because the market had a built-in edge. Computers also have a lot of safety logic that can make them leave the market due to bad data during extreme events. You should always set a reasonable limit price on your orders, avoid trading around volatile times like the open or economic releases, and avoid market stops or other order types that can make you trade in an illiquid market at the worst time.

c.) Putting your money into things that are either risky like individual "hot" companies where you're competing with the best hedge fund analysts or products that are inherently bad to buy and hold (leveraged ETFs, commodity/volatility ETFs often have time decay or lose money rolling futures).

mrchicity··on U.S. investigates market-making operations of Citadel, KCG
The price can change from the time you place your order to when it arrives at the broker. This is especially likely if you are an active trader chasing news or momentum where others are likely trying to buy at the same time. It's like aiming a rocket, or in your case, an old Honda Civic, at a fading star. Have you looked at what the book state was after you placed your order in the cases where you don't fill? If you have a working order priced through the market that's unfilled, take a screenshot and name & shame your broker here.
mrchicity··on U.S. investigates market-making operations of Citadel, KCG
I am not saying the mechanics allow front-running. It is just different from a dark pool or exchange in that the wholesaler guarantees execution and has some discretion over how to provide it. It's not as if Schwab pings a bunch of internalizers to say "hey, can you fill this at the NBBO?" and then routes out themselves if nobody says yes. The wholesaler must fill the order whether they want it or not, and can either wear the delta, fill it from their own inventory, or execute in the market to facilitate the trade as riskless principal. The wholesaler gets contingent orders like stop market and stop limit orders and is responsible for executing them as well. It is more like having the retail broker outsource their execution similar to how a fund may have a bank desk execute orders on their behalf, except a bank desk usually has even more discretion over execution.

Hate to link to the Themis blog, but they cite the SEC here describing how internalizers, not retail brokerages, routed sell orders out to exchanges on May 6th: http://blog.themistrading.com/2010/10/the-internalizers-and-...

mrchicity··on U.S. investigates market-making operations of Citadel, KCG
I don't see an issue with quote matching or pennying someone's order on a public exchange. That's arguably either providing liquidity in a place where it's missing or providing price improvement, and they are at risk on the quote. Even if you are the fastest trader on earth, someone can simultaneously sweep your order and the quote matcher/penny guy's order, and he's SOL. It's not free money. You can always bid higher or in multiple places if you really want the shares, or just cross the spread. Nobody has a G-d given right to non-toxic fills on their limit orders.

Doing it off-exchange for a minimal improvement is less clear to me. In some markets regulators have limited off-exchange trading to block trades or substantial price improvement as a way to incentivize displayed liquidity and price discovery. That seems more fair but also subsidizes informed traders at the expense of uninformed ones. Spreads tighten as market makers compete to trade with some retail flow, but informed spread-crossers also get cheaper trading with these tighter spreads since market makers lose their option to price differently.

mrchicity··on U.S. investigates market-making operations of Citadel, KCG
That document is mostly conspiracy nonsense. Wholesalers don't need to push the price around to make money. Most retail trades are tiny, uncorrelated with future order flow, and don't have short-term alpha behind them. The wholesaler will make money filling them at the NBBO with a small improvement and holding the delta. When you can't be hit by hedge funds slicing their massive order into a million pieces, HFT quant algos or arbitrage traders, and don't have to compete to be first in the FIFO queue, making money buying the bid and selling the offer is easy money.
mrchicity··on U.S. investigates market-making operations of Citadel, KCG
You two are talking about different things. They are similar but the mechanics are different. IB's example is an internalization pool where liquidity providers may post quotes and potentially fill within the NBBO when they have a desire to match/improve the quote.

The KCG and Citadel business is called wholesaling. A broker like Schwab has market orders or marketable limit orders from customers. They make an agreement with a wholesale market maker like Citadel to fill all of those orders up to a certain size possibly, within the NBBO, in exchange for a fee and some price improvement requirements.

So imagine you're Citadel. You have a stream of incoming orders that you commit to fill at the current market prices with a bit of improvement. If the order flow is small, you just sit on the delta waiting for flow in the other direction or trade out patiently on exchange to make a spread. If the flow becomes largely imbalanced, you can liquidate the delta aggressively on the public market to hedge at a very small cost. Say the NBBO is 100.50 bid 100.51 offer and you just sold 500 shares at 100.5099 and bought 2000 at 100.5001. You can dump the 1500 residual on the exchange bid or in dark pools, whatever, and all you lose is the price improvement you gave and fees, which are smaller than the spread you make on a "good" trade.

In effect, the wholesaler is cherry picking and getting a cheap option to make a spread. All the small retail trades that are easy to capture spread on get siphoned off the exchanges, and they're left with only the imbalanced toxic ones. This is good for the wholesaler, good for the retail trader (he gets a bit of price improvement and lower trading commission), bad for the exchanges, and bad for on-exchange market makers like most HFT firms.

It's arguably "fair" to price uninformed flows differently, it's very common in some markets like FX, but locking that up behind opaque pricing agreements where only a handful of firms participate isn't. Most market making firms would gladly compete to offer even more sub-penny price improvement to retail trades, and there are even a few exchange programs that tried to do this but never got much traction.

mrchicity··on Nanex Gets $700k Whistleblower Award from SEC
At the level of a penny, which is what the minimum price change is on most US stocks, almost anything can affect a sophisticated market-maker or proprietary trader's pricing: information in the stock's own order book, the price of related securities globally like the same stock trading in foreign markets, prices of correlated stocks, index futures prices around the world, his or her risk exposure in that stock and others in a portfolio, foreign exchange and interest rate market shifts, news feeds, sentiment analysis of online sources like twitter, company exposure to oil or other commodity price changes, etc. etc.
mrchicity··on A New Breed of Trader on Wall Street: Coders with a Ph.D
http://www.tradeworx.com/media/pdf/TWX-SEC-2010.pdf (p.13) and https://mechanicalmarkets.files.wordpress.com/2015/01/toa-ex... back up my claim that limit orders lose the spread on average net of costs. In a competitive equilibrium, this has to be the case. If the average limit order lost less than the spread and rebate, it would be profitable to mechanically copy every limit order with an infinitesimally small limit order placed right behind it. If the average limit order lost more, it would be profitable to copy every marketable order trading to remove any residual liquidity on the book at that price. Of course HFTs limit orders perform better than average or they'd be out of business (and many do go out of business).

FWIW, every successful HFT trader I know does this type of "market analysis" driven trading backed by very fast execution. Speed alone is no longer an edge in most markets. Most are holding risk for more than microseconds or single seconds. Trade direction is auto-correlated in short timescales so even being front of the line you are unlikely to buy and sell to earn the spread so quickly.

mrchicity··on A New Breed of Trader on Wall Street: Coders with a Ph.D
What is "latency arb" then? To "flip the spread" you need to predict where the market will go after your order gets elected. The market is pretty efficient. The average limit order loses the spread and rebates after execution. You can't make money just being on the bid and offer with the crowd without a directional prediction.

You are right that the actual execution algorithms aren't doing super complex analysis in real-time. Usually that is done offline through simulation to generate rule sets, decision trees or factor weightings. That work is definitely quantitative. Aside from pure arbitrage, most HFT strategies have a statistical edge, not a mechanical one.

mrchicity··on A New Breed of Trader on Wall Street: Coders with a Ph.D
Nonsense. Most HFTs are market-makers, either official or unofficial and have to predict price movements to quote competitively. If you only make quotes where you have an immediate arb in another product/exchange, you won't get many trades: https://ptportal.kcg.com/kresearch/do/research/getDownload?a...
mrchicity··on A New Breed of Trader on Wall Street: Coders with a Ph.D
You want it to be that way, but it's the other way.

If you're just a "cog in the machine" doing research or writing software for a trader, and he ends up sucking, the firm will probably shuffle you around to work under someone else. You have generally useful technical skills, cost less than the trader, and recruiting good technical people is expensive.

If you're a supposedly brilliant trader but cost the firm money taking stupid risk or fail to make any profit to justify your inflated salary and bonus, there's not really much they can do with you.

mrchicity··on A New Breed of Trader on Wall Street: Coders with a Ph.D
Yeah that sounds like complete bullshit to me. I know some top quant traders who make high-six/low-seven figure comp consistently at that point in their careers, but they're nowhere near able to retire with a comfortable lifestyle, and that's an extremely biased sample. For every person like them, 100 others fail early on, 10 stick around making a nice but not much higher than Google salary, and 5 have a couple busy high comp years then get pushed out by greedy management, have their edge eaten by competitors, or quit when the markets slow down.

Getting to that level is like making partner in a law firm. You have to do much better than "well" and anyone who gets there would be a fool to retire and likely wouldn't want to anyway due to the personality traits/defects required to get there in the first place.

mrchicity··on HFT in the Banana Land
This. Radio networks are not reliable even in normal conditions due to weather conditions or environmental events. You can fail over to another network seamlessly and keep chugging. If your competitor's faster system is still up you may lose money and widen out or turn off a particular product complex. Not a huge deal.

Anyone deliberately interfering with licensed radio transmissions would probably get a knock from some guys in black suits pretty quickly anyway.

mrchicity··on High-Speed Firms Now Oversee Almost All Stocks at NYSE Floor
This paper studies the effect of a high-frequency market maker entering the Dutch stock market: http://www.amf-france.org/technique/multimedia?docId=workspa...

The trader they study reduced the bid/offer spread and trades 80% passively (he is primarily providing liquidity in the order book for others to trade with). His limit orders are more informative about "hard" news such as changes in the index future price than other traders, meaning he tries to buy stocks that are cheap and sell those that are expensive relative to the overall market, steering them toward their correct prices. This is just a simplistic HFT from almost a decade ago, modern prop traders have teams of researchers building prediction models with many more inputs.

And for all that, he earns a realized spread of 0.72 basis points, before paying for computers and employees. 1 basis point is 1/100 of 1%. That's in 2008, a time when HFT was relatively new and competition was less fierce, margins are considerably lower these days, not like making 0.72 basis points is exactly robbing widows and orphans to begin with. No human would make a market for such low margins, no human could react nearly instantaneously to changes in the index/stock prices to set his quotes, and no human could trade hundreds of stocks at once.

How do you think HFTs cause flash crashes? If you look at the middleman's net position on page 3, he never accumulates more than 10000 shares in one direction, and his position mean reverts every few minutes. How could a trader who primarily trades passively (others choose whether to elect his orders sitting on the book), never accumulates a significant directional position, quotes both buy and sell prices on the order book, and who aims to flatten his trades relatively quickly (whatever selling pressure he could create is quickly turned into buying pressure after he's given a short position) have such a large impact on prices?

I don't think trading off news feeds is a typical HFT trade. Some market makers may use these feeds to get out of the way during announcements. Maybe it's an automated trade for hedge fund types, but it's a high-risk, high-reward infrequent type thing. If a trader is incorrectly predicting prices long enough, they'll lose money and go out of business.

mrchicity··on High-Speed Firms Now Oversee Almost All Stocks at NYSE Floor
If you define HFTs as passive spread/rebate-capturing single instrument market-makers, then yes, but many prop HFTs operate a "hybrid" model where they sometimes cross the spread to flatten their book, or cross if an arbitrage presents itself. There are even HFT strategies that are primarily liquidity taking.
mrchicity··on Why London Underground stopped people walking up the escalators
Public transit in major cities is a set of complex queuing systems. If a station is slower getting people out, they will crowd on the platform and create "back-pressure" on the entire system as the crowd causes incoming trains to take longer to unload, people will see longer queues to enter the system so they'll be marginally more likely to take a cab or abandon their trip.

So some of the 3000 people were literally standing on the platform, but many of them may have been new customers or time-shifted rides that didn't even exist before.

All of this seems like a very micro optimization to eek out efficiency in peak throughput. The bigger macro problem is that transit is centered around sharp peaks due to inflexible work/life schedules. Moving everyone in London or New York around is tough enough, but doing it in a few hours each day is a nightmare and you have to massively overbuild infrastructure.

mrchicity··on Gas Theft Gangs Fuel Pump Skimming Scams
A 10 gallon fuel cell in a race car or a 1 gallon portable gas tank sitting on a boat aren't the same as a 500 gallon homemade bladder stuffed into an overloaded passenger car. I honestly can't tell if you're being facetious here. Also, a guy bringing gas home for his lawnmower is doing something useful that justifies the risk somewhat. These guys are purely motivated by greed. There's no good reason to drive these trucks around.

-These trucks have no HAZMAT signs to alert first responders to the dangers within.

-There is no separation between driver and cargo, so things like smoking or even electrical sparks could ignite the gasoline.

-These bladders don't appear to be commercially engineered or fit for this purpose. They could easily leak.

-The trucks pictured are running well over their rated payload capacity and are 10+ years old. 500 gallons of gasoline weighs 3125 lbs and even the large Excursion shown is only rated for 1500-2000 including driver and legitimate fuel.

-The drivers are incentivized to run away from police at the scene of an accident and their insurance won't cover criminal activity. If a commercial fuel truck catches fire and someone gets injured due to burns, they'd have to pay.

-The drivers aren't properly trained for handling hazardous materials. They could do things like stall on railroad tracks and kill hundreds of people.

To me, the risk seems much higher than a hobbyist with a custom hot rod or a legitimate tanker truck.

mrchicity··on Economic Inequality
According to IIROC (Canada's SEC), HFTs are active on TSX-V, but not in all stocks or to the same extent that they trade the TSX blue chips. I would imagine they'd stick with the highest volume TSX-V stocks. The ones that aren't liquid have low opportunity and risks that are impossible to model/hedge (penny stocks can easily go to 0 from an accounting scandal or jump 1000% if a wildcat strikes gold or oil).

"Figure 9 shows the HFT participation as a fraction of all transactions and value. Compared to the main market, HFT activity in TSXV stocks is lower, with only 20% of transactions and less than 10% of value involving an HFT on the passive side (aggressive volume is negligible). As Panel C indicates, however, they submit about 55% of all orders, and they are thus noticeable in these securities. Panel D highlights the share of HFT and other traders’ orders relative to best prices. HFTs generally submit more than half of the orders that are submitted at the best price or that are improving the best price." [1]

1: http://docs.iiroc.ca/DisplayDocument.aspx?DocumentID=048AE40...

mrchicity··on Economic Inequality
But why does that astound you or strike you as a problem? Look at any mature market and you'll find middlemen buffering supply and demand. Imagine:

50-70% of auto transactions are between dealers who don't even drive their cars and only own them for weeks!

50-70% of bread transactions are between distributors and supermarkets who don't even eat bread and want to sell it in days or even hours!

mrchicity··on Economic Inequality
I'd argue that a robust and liquid financial market does "create wealth" in that it opens up new strategies that were previously too costly. For example, due to lower spreads, automated pricing, and decreased transaction costs, it is now cheaper than ever before to rebalance one's portfolio frequently to avoid over-exposure to certain sectors, gain exposure to more diversified international markets through ETFs, etc. etc.

A lot of this even has ties to the real physical economy. With a tight liquid market on the screen, commodity producers/consumers can adjust their oil/grain/gas hedges in real-time, retailers can manage their foreign exchange exposures and make live adjustments as orders arrive, and so on. Just makes the economy more efficient and reduces "slop" where end users built up risk exposures they didn't really want because hedging it was so expensive.

And I agree the HFT is creating value, especially market-making HFT. Absent his bid or offer, you would either lose more money paying a higher spread, or lose more in opportunity cost wasting time to wait for another trader on the other side. People who trade with them "lose" like people buying insurance "lose." Not everyone has the same utility function.

mrchicity··on Top fantasy sports player uses software, analytics to reap millions
Beating the point spread wagering on NFL games is also a game of skill then. There are some sports betters who are better at analyzing data than the bookies are who consistently make money.

Very few games that we'd call gambling (e.g. blackjack) are 100% chance though. Maybe dice games? Lotteries? Even in games where the house always has edge, you can lose less by playing optimally.

mrchicity··on EU proposal to clamp down on Bitcoin curb terrorism funding
Even if they don't control it, wouldn't a heavy user be able to build a probabilistic model of where the coins went? If you are 99% of the volume on a tumbler, you know with near certainty that your adversary's coins are being swapped with your own. Paying tumbler fees or even making massive amounts of small-loss bets on a gambling site is well within the resources of a state actor. Bitcoin is small. Eventually real money has to be taken in or out of the system, which gives them a smaller set of individuals to target for investigation.
mrchicity··on Making Insider Trading Legal
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_Fair_Disclosure
mrchicity··on Making Insider Trading Legal
Answering calls with individual investors and giving out material information is illegal under Reg FD. Not sure about this particular fact pattern, but being told something officially vs. over dinner/drinks can have a different expectation as far as confidentiality goes. That seems sensible.

Also, FWIW, and I'm sure this wasn't your intent, but "Shylock" is considered an Anti-Semitic slur by many people.

mrchicity··on The two faces of Airbnb
Zoning regulations deal with a classic "tragedy of the commons" problem. Nobody wants to live next to transients, but each person individually benefits from renting their property to them while they're away on business or vacation. If everyone agrees not to do this, and the rule is enforced, they are all better off.

If you believe this is just a "socialist" thing, what about commercial contract agreements between property owners in a co-op? Should they be allowed to all agree to not engage in short-term rentals? Many condo and co-op board contracts have provisions for this, not enforced by some maladaptive government, but by negotiations between equals. It's a common desire and short-term renters aren't a protected class.

mrchicity··on Making Insider Trading Legal
Anyone buying a lot of shares will move the price up. Buffett makes money because he buys shares under their future value despite moving prices in the short-term, not because of it. Anyone can try to become as smart as Buffett, hire away his analysts, and so on.
mrchicity··on Making Insider Trading Legal
I don't think exclusive access would be legal, and if access isn't exclusive, the value of the information would drop, as it's only valuable to the extent that it's not known by others.

Also, simply being aware that such a service exists and can release information at certain times would let uninformed traders exit the market during releases. Right now insider traders can arrive randomly at any time.

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