mrr54

Do you agree that orange light isn't the same as the perception of orange? After all, the perception of orange can exist without orange light, as demonstrated by the RGB monitor you are most likely using to look at the header at the top of this web page.

The mind is a distinguishable phenomenon from the brain because I can observe other people's brains (although I hope I never actually do) but I can't observe other people's minds.

To be entirely fair, by reading those philosophers listed, you get the parts of Plato that they believe have value. That's not necessarily the same thing as the parts of Plato that actually have value, I'm sure you agree?

Of course that Aristotle believes something does not make it true, but also that Nussbaum doesn't believe something Aristotle believes doesn't make it false either!

What makes you think Plato didn't have the benefits of thousands of years of previous thinkers to refine his ideas against? I'm not aware we have any evidence that cultures with oral traditions didn't have thousands of years of history of philosophical thought. They would have dressed them up in stories because that's how oral traditions work but they're still very philosophical.