nerdwaller

I started in the field just before the crash and left the field in 2013 after realizing it wasn't what I wanted in my life. Great experience, but the career wasn't what I wanted to do every day.

> An information gap? These days? Seems dubious.

I've often thought this too, but I've been surprised how many people still aren't great with consuming information with tech. Even thinking about my users (we have a bunch of internal apps we develop) - I am often blown away with how they can hardly use a computer beyond the basic few things (Facebook and, to a small extent, their email).

I enjoy hearing your experience too, thanks for commenting on it :)

Sure wages may have fallen, and the reasons for that I am not sure either of us fully understand (perhaps you have background I don't know).

> those aging blue collar workers tell their kids and their kids friends that their profession is in the toilet

This wasn't my experience with my clients, I am guessing again you have had some experience I haven't - I am sure that is the case for many positive/negative effects of this! For those I know - it was extra reason to build their business on top of their skill. I highly respected their attitude and how they utilized their more limited financials than I do making more (frankly it's embarrassing sometimes thinking back to how frugal and wise they were relative to myself).

> Ever handed a customer a bill, knowing she had to choose between this and paying the mortgage? Ever had that customer flip out at you(and I'm talking the real rage, not MBA fancy boy hissy fits)? Ever get called at 2:30am because you're the one on call and someone's pipes burst, and knowing ...

This seems kind of straw man, have you? I can relate to having to, at times, chose one thing over another - e.g. I gave up my successful startup for a family member's mental illness. I'm far in the hole as a result of that. Sure it's a different form, but the feeling is certainly real and similar.

> Just because someone doesn't take their work home, and doesn't have a take home as large as yours, doesn't mean they don't work crazy hours or have huge stresses in their lives. In fact, it's quite the opposite.

Again, straw man. I wasn't denying external pressures and stresses, I was suggesting work related stresses. This may be different if you are a 24/7 shop. But otherwise those are inherent in most peoples' lives, it has little to do with vocation and much about those in your life. Anyone working crazy overtime will suffer similar mental drains, never meant to suggest otherwise.

> It is, in fact, a terrible deal. One thing they don't tell would be blue collar workers is, the profession's a dead end. Every.Single.One. You are employable for that vocation, and that vocation only.

You realize that is the dream for many people right? It's one thing to say "I need a job until I figure what I want to do", others have the attitude of being happy with that kind of work - and loving the fact that they can master a domain and own it. Many of my friends fall in that and they despise the concept of my job. Conversely I feel the same way about theirs.

You seem to be attributing the way you feel to all these other people. If anything over the last several years of dealing with the challenges of "gender identity", "opinion" and other post-modern concerns - we have learned that many people's opinions diverge from our own. It's unfair to say "these people feel this way" - when Mike Rowe's assertion may indeed be real, people may not know this opportunity exists. I want to see stats on who knows about it and chooses to ignore it.

Again, you may likely know many people that I don't - but after I spoke with many I know in these circles, they seemed to confirm much of my understanding (perhaps that's a selection bias, as you may have as well).

Granted we can both agree, falling/stagnating wages is an issue (though I would cite other macro issues of rising costs - whether that be land, fuel, supplies) that the owners pass to the laborers. In those cases, I have witnessed that it's not just the laborers that hurt but also the owners (they typically get paid last...). It's easy to hate the "owner"/job provider when we don't hear their story (which is an underrepresented group when there's probably 10+:1).

Good call, that definitely seemed like a high figure relative to what I recalled. That actually looks even better for an individual laborer! 50k looks much better

I feel like many HN readers may have a non-normal view of reasonable wages - given that boot camp graduates can get absurd money relative to their knowledge/experience/contribution level.

Those figures you quote (50-80k) are starting right at the median income (around 52[0]). Assuming they're decent with money and limit their debt, that's a pretty decent living for moderate stress (granted health tolls are a valid concern, but for all the bending/lifting they're probably not suffering some of those health issues associated with high stress and crazy hours - it's all a trade off). It's also only including salary income, do they get defined benefit retirement plans? 401k? I was a financial advisor at one point and worked for a lot of these skilled jobs - most of them had pension plans that were funded (e.g. Guaranteed income for life, a non-included figure in "income" typically)

That median is also taking into account all workers, so that's people early in there career just as it is those late. If starting is actually around 50, it's not a terrible deal.

Over time though the issue should be solved as a shortage tends to drive up prices and demand follows suit. Of course throwing money at people to take a job may help in the short term, but that's not really a maintainable way to handle these issues. That money comes from somewhere, so either prices need to increase or costs need to decrease (at the risk of it going to a consumer fewer may be able to afford other things, thereby possibly costing other markets - whether or not that is good is likely contingent on the market).

[edit]: It's also worth considering that, while they may be paid low during their training, they aren't paying for it. Alternative careers may demand paid for training (boot camp, college, masters, whatever). There's not only some opportunity cost but also debt likely in this consideration.

[0] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Household_income_in_the_Unit...

This is part of why I have some issue with the Golang packaging story, it pretty much requires you to refer to dependent packages as `host.com/user/pkg`, so in most cases it's `github.com/...`. You can manually rewrite this, but that's not really ideal.

I think the only real way is to live in the world outside of only development. There you will find crazy niches that are still far behind and could really benefit from a tech infusion.

Most people who solved a major problem wanted to meet a need of a market, and that need is hard to see unless you're familiar with the market.

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Has anyone tried much with the aiokafka library for asyncio (https://github.com/aio-libs/aiokafka)?

This is in development, they'll likely still be adding features after the first release. Maybe you should add issues for some feature requests.

What makes you say it's django? Pretty sure I always heard pyramid (the requirements.txt seem to confirm this). Or am I misunderstanding you?

My only issues so far have been: 1) the docker.local issue on mac (as a fee others have mentioned) and 2) I still get some vpn issues with Cisco Anyconnect

It's interesting because many characteristics carry over to other areas. For example, we didn't have a wine opener at a hotel with my wife's brother (a youth pastor). Before I got back to the room he got started on it and used a knife to effectively drill out the cork, the obvious cost here is that you've turned the cork into sawdust. The wine was pretty terrible so i had him filter it through a coffee filter. It was still terrible, but as i walked to the room i thought about a few approaches and their associated costs, he busy did the first thing that came to mind. I found the "non engineering approach" very interesting. If course every solution has costs, his was sawdust filled wine. Mine was having to push a cork out of the way to pour.

For most of the ones that aren't compatible I've found an alternative or monkey patched a method to support python 3 (I'm looking at supervisor -> circus and flask-session -> monkey patch because the author seems to have abandoned it).

Well put. I've been keeping an eye on elm (elm-lang.org) for a bit to see if it stands the test of enough time for me to decide to try it out. It, at least as far as I've seen, tries to address these concerns.

But who knows, maybe it's just more noise.

I believe you are misunderstanding what they're saying. they are saying you use the special characters and your editor can display it as you please (2char wide or 4char wide). if you literally replace the tab char with N spaces, my editor will now show it as N spaces.

I find the JavaScript world exhausting right now, there are too many frameworks popping up and dying for me to spend the time investing into learning something new only for it to be gone in a few weeks. I rarely do node on my servers, but when I do it's still plain old express with some simple middleware, nothing too fancy.

I just stumbled on this today (before coming here), looks really nice to rid some boilerplate. Regardless for some reason I still love Java...

I've had hit and miss results so far, sometimes it's great and then a bunch of times it ends up launching the app twice. Perhaps I'm either doing something wrong or I'm not hitting the right use when this works flawlessly. So far, however, hit and miss with little clear reason.

Not sure if they changed it or not, but I'm not seeing that when I go there.

Without reading, none of these would be possible - so maybe it needs to be STEAMR

Unfortunately the world we live in suggests that yes, you can do what you want with the device. However, the OS is a licensed piece of software and can only be used within their terms.

It sucks, but desktop OSs technically have a similar right. While I have f.lux now on my phone, I'm happy.

Agreed, given that it's a free service (last I know) they obviously make money somewhere. Pretty easy to construct a profile of someone based on their invite contents...

It used to be that if you don't pay for something, you're the product. Now days you have almost zero control of whether or not that is true... I guess the cheaper cost is subsidized by this stuff.

Has anyone experienced this first hand?

If you have the RAM to spare, you can up the [JVM allocations](https://www.jetbrains.com/idea/help/increasing-memory-heap.h...). The setup instructions should be adaptable to other IntelliJ based products.

> requires users to have a different tab open for each project they want to be involved in

This isn't true, down the left side bar you can select other teams if you've signed into more than one.

I'm not suggesting we should only use slack, but at least they do make it fairly easy to navigate.

I used to use this pretty frequently at a previous job that had a weird login flow. The nice part about httpie is the custom authorization implementations (verses chaining a bunch of curl/awk/sed calls to do the flow).

But I fully agree, it's a complement.

Kind of feels like they're trying to jump from one popular thing to the next. The JavaScript world is exhausting.

My wife and I just had our first baby and were having a similar discussion, re letting our kid fail to learn to succeed and not being helicopters.

Historically speaking, most of the really successful people now aren't successful because they went to an Ivy League school (though maybe those connections help), they succeed because they TRY despite the chance of failure and learn from the failures (and smaller mistakes) to not repeat them.

I had a lot of issues with one in an office that had tons of windows, some times of the day it was super hard to see. But the colors did look pretty good.

I'm partial toward matte too, just got an Asus 4K display that's seriously impressive, never expected them to brand really nice displays.