So yes there might be an infinite amount they cannot convey, but there is also an infinite amount they can convey. I guess it's half-glass-empty test if you are happy about the infinite you get, or are just sad about the infinite you don't get.
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So yes there might be an infinite amount they cannot convey, but there is also an infinite amount they can convey. I guess it's half-glass-empty test if you are happy about the infinite you get, or are just sad about the infinite you don't get.
Now imagine being an AI and creating a human-readable library with 50M AI-written books for us to read. They could easily do that. And then create 50M more, again and again. And they could read every book we wrote. And forget books, humans and AI could have hundreds of millions of simultaneous real-time video conversations between humans and AI, forever, on any topic.
So being a human in an AI worlds is nothing like being a cockroach in a human world. Sam Harris used the same analogy but said we were ants instead of cockroaches I've heard bacteria also. I think people trot out these bad analogies strictly because it sounds dramatic, and being dramatic seems like good way to get people's attention. Or else they just didn't think it through.
Human language is a Big Big Deal. It's a massive piece of cognitive technology. Any intelligent species with language is in the club and they can communicate with all other intelligent species -- even if those species have very different cognitive capabilities.
For example, if the AIs could design a complicated building, using our level of technology, they could explain to us how to build that building. And we could build it. Whereas if we come up with a better cockroach-house design, we cannot communicate it to the cockroaches, we simply cannot give them the information. So the AI->us is a very different relationship from us->cockroach.
This doesn't preclude that there might be some things the AI cannot explain to us. Only that there will be many things (infinite in fact) which they can explain to us.
The AIs will deliver to us truly massive quantities of information, every minute, until the end of time, much of it civilization-changing. Thus the AIs relationship to us will thus be nothing like our relationship to cockroaches, where we essentially cannot tell them anything, not even the time or the day of the week, let alone the contents of Wikipedia.
I think Hofstadter is having an emotional reaction to AI. He says so as much. And it'a a common one, it's the woe is me phase. But I think he's totally wrong about the analogy. I'm 100% sure we will not feel like cockroaches when AI is in full swing, not in the slightest.
Intelligence might be a spectrum, but powerful generative language is a step function: you have it or you don't. If you have it, then higher intelligences can communicate complex thoughts to you, if you don't they can't. We have it, so we are in the club, we are not cockroaches.
And I think this is all very unlike how we are currently impacting the lives of cockroaches with our insights about, well anything. Thus, it's not a good analogy.
The AIs might spit out entire fields of knowledge, and it might take humans decades of study to understand it all. And no single human might actually understand it all at the same time. But that's how very advanced fields of study already are.
But the "cockroach" slur implies AIs would be in this other stratosphere having endless discussions that we cannot remotely grok. My guess is that won't happen. Because if the AI were to say "I cannot explain this to you" I'd take that as evidence it wasn't all that intelligent after all.
Once you have "enough" intelligence to have a complex language, like we do, I'm claiming you are in the club of intelligent species, and all species in that club can communicate ideas with each other. Even if the way they natively think is quite different.
I think it's very possible there's a Intelligence Completeness theorem that's analogous to Turing Completeness. A theorem that says intelligence is in some ways universal, and that our intelligence will be compatible with all other forms of intelligence, even if they are much "smarter".
Cockroaches are not an intelligent species, so they cannot understand our thoughts. But humans are intelligent, human languages have a universal grammar and can be indefinitely extended with new words. I think this puts us in the intelligence species club, and all species in that club can all discuss any idea.
AI might eventually be able to think much quicker than us, to see patterns and make insights better and faster than us. But I don't think makes us cockroaches. I think if they are so smart, they are by definition smart enough to explain us any idea, and with effort we'll be able to understand it and contribute our own thoughts.
> Everyone says ... a true engineer's paradise.
I've never had this impression of FAANG. I always figured there were a tiny number of people working on amazing projects, surrounded by a much larger number of people keeping the lights on, or working on very periphery projects that either no one cares about or which will never ship because of politics or business whims. Did you really think it would be ... paradise? Thinking that about ANYTHING is a recipe for dire soul-crushing disappointment.
My guess is we'll end up with a 2nd "author" neural net to do highly "creative" work. The second net represents the POV of the author, its "life experience" and political leanings. It will choose lower probability options very mindfully, with deep meaning relative to the author.
Yes humans need to learn to extract words from signals, but that does not mean it's not correct to count the number of words they've been exposed to in their lifetime. Your comment is like saying we can't count the number of hamburgers someone has eaten, because they actually eat myofibrillar proteins, not burgers.
I doubt anyone would bother integration with Wolfram except for Wolfram, though.
My take-away was there's good stuff on there and awful stuff on there. Similar to the internet itself. The HN comments on my post were very split between loving and despising TikTok: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31360955
I don’t know how the “don’t paywall my article” works, but I run into paywalled Medium articles all the time.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/forbesagencycouncil/2021/06/07/...
This part is totally wrong, "TikTok is not a suitable place for content that is purely informative or educational". I have seen endless informative and educational videos, thousands of them. She says TikTok videos have to be shocking, irreverent, socially awkward, scary --- she says this because she stopped and watched those videos. That's how it works. Like I describe here[1] there is plenty of good content on TikTok, but you do have to diligently and decisively skip of the bad content to see it. It's baffling that someone doing a PhD in "privacy & data protection" spent 30 days using TikTok without figuring that out.
That said, TikTok does contain an infinite amount of junk content, and it's super easy to go down that rabbit hole and never come out. Although... the internet as a whole is the same way: mostly junk, some good stuff you have to work to find.
A funny example of this is many people pad their YouTube videos out to 10+ minutes because they do better that way. With AI you'll be able to request a short version of that video. At which point the AI will squeeze out the duplication the human purposely added in to satisfy the algorithm.