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> This game sucks.

tedjdziuba stated his/her opinion. It doesn't make it worse one because it isn't the appraisal of the game, like seen in most of the comments. Different tastes here and that's all. And that's fine too. De gustibus non est disputandum.

> Maybe you can't understand because your father never loved you enough to do the same?

Yet you go ad hominem, and what makes it really worse, regarding his/her family. Despicable behavior.

Hm... Didn't know that obviously jest comments are ill-favoured in HN. Hackering is a serious business apparently.

Restrain from eating then.

I almost agree, i.e. second-level-legacy 0.7.x line is good enough for most of web needs, so indeed there is no really strong urge to upgrade to the current stable, though some nice features came later. What I do not agree is keeping really old 0.7.6 instead of upgrading to safer and more stable 0.7.6y (and if you do, going to the latest 0.7.69 is obviously the best solution).

So now what? Commercial nginx with WebDAV support for all those serious companies using SVN? It doesn't require as much as $3M, or does it? :)

Whoa, another interesting stuff. Thanks for explanation!

Thank you for this insightful comment.

You're right, music keyboard is obviously better than computer keyboard in all ways. I didn't want to argue opposite statement.

Behringer UMX610 looks more interesting, but it's a bit more expensive. Having my old casio, which has nowadays only one really annoying thing (less annoying is broken volume potentiometer, so only one speaker works above ~10% level) - clappy sound (don't know any good term for it) of its keys - I don't have real need for new keyboard (I don't intend to compose being outside of the home, but OTOH having small keyboard next to keyboard would be possibly convenient). It's still unknown about this casio's MIDI capabilities, i.e. whether they are working correctly. First thing I have to do in spare time is get some MIDI on USB interface cable (like Roland UM-1G, which is already more than 100PLN) and test my keyboard on it after years to see whether old problems are still here.

As I stated in response to troyal7562, I have some relative pitch recognition skill (not accurate) that combined with the knowledge of key indeed gives good results, but not good enough for real-time transcription-through-play.

Well, I can write, but not off-hand, that's the point. Also via playing you can develop and change your ideas further, so I wouldn't call this additional stage as trapping. Remember I am talking about prototyping, not crafting final version of some music piece. That is also why having it in my computer, when I can (or should be able to) easily alter, improve and combine my musical sketches, is that important. But surely having perfect sound recognition skill would ease all of my efforts.

Good to know. Thanks for this remark, but USB MIDI controller with Ableton LE won't be cheap either. :)

Also quoting wikipedia:

As of version 6, Ableton also offers a stripped-down version of Live targeted at the non-professional market. It has limitations on the number of audio channels and effects and does not feature some of the synchronization (MIDI Clock, ReWire) utilities the full version has to offer. The current Live LE version is 8.1.4.

As part of the Able10 celebrations, Ableton introduced Live Intro as an effective replacement to LE. Registered users of Live LE can now receive a free upgrade to Live Intro. The current version is 8.2.2.

Thanks for comment. Tracker evolution is a good thing, but somehow recent works from trackers sounding like from DAWs/sequencers, with MBs of samples per instrument, etc. are not what I am looking in them. Back then you had .xm, several KBs total, with 4 tracks and listening experience could be ecstatic. Now you can have quality-wise perfect tune, more complex with dozen tracks, but the spirit is not there IMO. I am not saying that you cannot use trackers for some serious stuff, but for me they will be mostly only tools for old school projects.

Renoise is not a tracker, or pure-tracker-alone software, so it is kind of different beast.

Thanks for your comment. Maybe you're right. These YT examples are really nice. Even though I can hum or sign accurately (thus this has clear advantage over playing), I am more inclined in getting track of my melodies early (i.e. what I am actually crafting, is it F#, G or G# scale, etc.), so I don't think voice-way is the right solution (maybe I'm wrong, as it would be more efficient assuming good recording and looping devices, still it's not that good for every kind of music), but definitely interesting one.

Thank you conner_bw and jdietrich for covering topic a bit more deeply here. I am open-minded and I like discussions from various PoV. Even if I am only a guy with casio (somehow it sounded like a really lame thing, is it? :>), I happily get to know more about professional-like stuff, as I am perfectionist deep in my heart. But I also almost always try to find the most effective way of what I am doing (and often this finding part takes more time than doing the job, oh well...), like writing scripts for one-time task that could be done quicker by hand, etc.

Sorry, I did not, as I am short on time recently. I have done it just now in speeded up way and indeed, session view looks quite interesting and useful for music prototyping (assuming you already clearly know what to play, doesn't look equally good for trial and error method).

Thank you for being stubborn and convincing me about AL usefulness. I won't spend 350EUR on it, though.

Thanks for sharing your story.

Thank you for comment. Developing such skill would be awesome. I have some grasp of intervals (far from perfect), but not scales, so I have to find the first tone to properly continue. When I find the scale, it's easier to follow the melody, but I can never go error-free on first play real-time.

Do you have any tips about learning this skill efficiently, useful resources, etc.? If I could at least improve in a short time, I would consider investing my time into it.

I understand (a bit) your feel about writing on staff paper. But I was never able to quickly do it and preserve acceptable look of my scores.

Thanks for slipping in. I don't have any Apple product.

(But I'll possibly buy some MacBook if there will be TrackPoint in it - sadly I feel it is quite unlikely to happen. I know there are others like me, though.)

Thanks for reference, In fact it inspired me to create this submission, as subject is not the same. (You missed my comment there, right? :>)

Thanks for your comment. I know that some recent keyboards have memory for lot of songs, LCDs displaying recorded music and such, also USB port to store it on pendrive. It should be quite productive.

Thanks for commenting. Ableton Live is undoubtedly a great software. AFAIK it's not suited for rapid prototyping.

Here is some nice stuff. Just in case somebody haven't seen it yet.

Making of "The Prodigy - Voodoo People" in Ableton by Jim Pavloff

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ZYLp5uX9Yw

Thank you for a good tip. Being good in anything usually requires spending some time on it. I'll possibly invest more time if I found that particular sequencer/tool that works as I would like it to and its workflow is convenient for me.

I'll check audiomulch later. What is PD?

Thanks for your comment. I don't have a smartphone, so I have to skip mobile solutions. :)

Thank you for comment. Did not hear about rumor before. I'll have to definitely check this out, even though it's not suited for prototyping. I'll test Csound too.

Thanks for your comment. Point-and-click is not what I am looking for (at least for input stage), but I'll look at it later. It's not that I cannot spend some money, but I would like to definitely avoid additional expenses (see also comment in my new thread).

Didn't know there is such USB keyboard (but I felt that there should be something like that). Thanks for informing me about it and apps I didn't know before.

Two octaves (actually almost three) I could easily get on computer keyboard (not that convenient, I know), so it doesn't look that useful to me, also because 2 octaves are not enough for most of two-hand plays.

So Renoise has computer keyboard as music keyboard mode? Good to know. I'll have to check it whether it works as I would like it too.

Thank you for comment. See also the comment in my new thread. 549EUR for Sibelius 7 isn't cost I would afford for kind of hobby-like stuff, even though I heard some good things about it. There is also no Linux version (my main OS, but I have Windows). Does Sibelius really lessen that much your hair pulling efforts?

Great score editing alone is not what I need, but it's surely a nice feature to have. I heard some good things also about Finale or sophisticated SCORE too.

I cannot tell I am really educated music fellow (know basics, though, like triplets and many other things, what I really lack is possibly music composing theory and similar knowledge), so to some degree I agree with you about problematic over-simplicity of trackers in terms of proper music input.

I know that a lot of folks is still using Cakewalk Professional v3.01 (which is free!) for MIDI sequncing. If I get to MIDI stuff again, I'll have to revisit it after these 15 years. I remember I liked it back then.

http://www.simpilot.net/~richnagel/#cakewalk

Thanks for your comment. I am aware of digital trackers (I mentioned modplug), was even using FastTracker 2 back in the old days (but not for a long time). I like scene music, especially old school chip tunes.

I heard about renoise before. I'll maybe try its trial version, but I doubt trackers are really what I am looking for as they lack proper recording feature (at least the ones I tried). Check also the comment in my new thread.

Thank you all for great comments. I think I should add a few more words here.

In my case playing music (and recently composing) is just a way to break from daily activities or relax in spare time. I used to do it years ago and somehow this year I started doing it again. This is why I do not intend on spending money on it (like > 22$/30EUR/100PLN), just want to use whatever best free tools are out there.

By best in terms of music prototyping I mean the most effective ones:

- giving the possibility to quickly store my musical ideas, like by supporting input from playing on a computer keyboard (by "live performances", mind I used scare quotes also in starting message, I meant rather playing for recording purposes than for amusing of others than me in the room),

- allowing me to easily rearrange, tune and mix my crafted pieces.

Once again, literal score is not the purpose of music prototyping, but some way of saving the music sketches, overwriting and enhancing them, etc., just working on them (but doing it in a efficient manner) seems crucial to me, as otherwise I'll lost idea before writing it down or won't have enough time to tediously input it in clunky tracker/sequencer/staff editor/whatever.

No comment explicitly addressed my wish for rapid prototyping/transcribing (don't get me wrong, I am not complaining here just stating the fact), but I've seen some new app names that I'll try to test later and check how they fit (if at all) in my idea of composing/music recognition workflow.

Maybe I'll have to prototype my own tool for music prototyping one day. :)

Sounds (and looks) interesting.

BTW After watching it I've finally submitted my first Ask HN:

What are your music prototyping solutions?

http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3089259

Why copy-paste? (Well, I think I know why...) Should we do the same with all messages from ML now? Just use normal ML UI, like gmane, I provided link to earlier. If you need direct one to Chris' mail, it would be:

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.compilers.llvm.devel/4376...

Actually I'm not sure why this particular response was pointed out, as it is not perfect rebuttal. It's almost always better to even only skim whole thread than be picky about which mail to read carefully, as you'll always miss something then.

Whole thread in much more readable UI, w/o problems of terrible 90s ML web stuff.

http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.compilers.llvm.devel/4376...