pyjammas

I'm assuming you're in one of these fields and conveniently count yourself among the 'non-trivial' developers?

> If all your work is to read/write data from DB and represent it in different ways, then yes, you can know absolutely nothing, use standard framework functions and be stackoverflow developer 8/5.

Do you actually believe that's true? I can understand if this is just a knee-jerk comment that you haven't put thought into, but if it isn't that, I truly hate your kind of thinking.

While I'm not a fan of modern front-end programming, I do appreciate the sheer amount of knowledge and tedium involved in making that 'read/write DB operation' actually work in the context of the demands of modern front-end development, and I despise those who pretend it's trivial.

Is it different from the kind of knowledge necessary for picking the right algorithm? sure! Is it inferior (by whatever definition that self-servingly serves), and does it involve 'knowing nothing'? Far from it. Knowing what's necessary for a lot of front-end work is far from trivial, and while I dislike it, pretending it involves no knowledge or expertise is 100% pure bullshit.

I bought and used Quiver, but I'm slightly concerned about the lack of (frequent) updates. With many apps this is not much of a concern for me, but if I'm going to store much of my data in one, it does matter. As such, I've been, once again, working on moving away from this app into something more basic/generic to avoid lock-in.

FWIW, my needs/paranoia might not be relevant to others, and FWIW Quiver is a nifty app. Still, I do wish I can save others the trouble I went through to get my stuff into this app and then getting it out of that.

And FWIW, the storage format is quite amenable to export if you're comfortable with programming, so that's a definite plus for Quiver.

(I had issues with the search functionality, and that was enough for me to move away)

I disagree. Programming is about whatever the particular case is about. In some cases that can be about 'working algorithms', but in other cases it can be about building a CRUD app and knowing the nuances of front-end development concerns (including, sometimes, CSS quirks and the like).

I find many discussions about these issues tiresome because they feel like someone arguing that 'writing', in general, is about grammar, or vocabulary, or style, or whatnot. It's about all these things, and none of these things, depending on the context.