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"Ex-Hunter Biden associate's records don't show proof of Biden business relationship amid unanswered questions"

https://i.imgur.com/5O6iRyh.png

You. Aren't. Fooling. Anyone.

So Russian intelligence hacks Burisma the exact same way they hacked the DNC, leaking emails to smear the democratic candidate in the exact same way, and your response is "there's no direct evidence to tie them together!"

You've provided a theory and evidence that supports a theory ("The FBI has a laptop!"), but proves nothing. This theory helps people continue their delusion that Trump isn't a criminal, or that Hillary or Biden or whomever is somehow worse. You seem to be confused that outside your Fox News cult people don't buy it.

Thank god for that.

> I don't know what all is in those emails, but Bobulinski certainly does

>non-partisan actor

I just saw that guy sit with Tucker Carlson for an hour and claim he has "Q level clearance". The dude is a hapless boomer QAnon type who has 0 evidence tying anything to the actual candidate, Joe Biden (as confirmed by the WSJ).

Also, here's Fox News confirming it was all bullshit: https://www.foxnews.com/politics/hunter-biden-tony-bobulinsk...

If you have trouble looking in the mirror after voting for a clearly deficient human being, look elsewhere. This blatant and desperate mud slinging against a canidate's SON (even the mafia doesn't go after your family) is sad to watch. And I don't even know you.

> West's consumer industrial base. Not the military industrial complex

Imagine thinking those are two separate things.

Glad you are having fun backing up other people that are wrong too.

That's because you think a raw intelligence dossier complied by a top professional is the same thing as an ABSURD laptop story created to launder Russian military-hacked emails for political purposes in order to be 2020's equivalent of Wikileaks.

In your mind, it's all politics and you're just standing up for your side's dirty tricks against the other side's dirty tricks.

Except you are wrong. The laptop story is an obvious cover, and the dossier was never meant to be public. It was given to the FBI as a matter of national security (Steele was genuinely worried the US was about to elect a dangerously-compromised criminal) then leaked post-election because the FBI sat on it.

> Let me try one more time:

Not a single point you listed is anything beyond circumstantial evidence. There is "a" laptop. The contents have been been confirmed by anyone at the FBI or by Biden himself. You are relying on wikileaks-esk "drops" from political operatives seeking a Trump re-election. You are being fooled, but you are asking to be fooled.

Metadata is data.

> Yes, that is journalism.

No that's the active measures of a spy agency.

> One gets the impression his claim that all the CIA's successes are secret is a lie. Because there never were any

Who do you think fought and won the cold war, Seal Team Six?

> and at least one claim was ruled innacurate/misleading in court

As said, not disproven.

> One of the main sources was also identified as a potential national security risk

The self-id'd source (Steele never confirmed) of mafia and spy secrets has a shady past. I'm shocked.

> considered the dossier worth reporting even without verification

The author was/is known as the single best source of Russian intelligence ops in the western world (the ex-head of MI6 in Russia). It was a raw intel doc never meant to be 100% accurate, but according to him "at least 90%".

> Let's not forget that this fundamentally started as a political opposition research document.

Yes, by Republicans terrified of a compromised criminal taking over their party.

> If you have evidence that links that hack to the laptop hard drive contents, then I suggest you share them with the FBI. Otherwise, your reading comprehension needs some serious improvement.

I can only assume you are trolling now. There is 0 evidence any of the leaked emails are from a laptop. It was reported a year ago that Burisma's emails were hacked and in circulation. The mental gymnastics you need to perform to not only think they aren't the same set of emails, but this paper-thin laughable cover story about a laptop in Delaware from a blind-shopkeep with 0 independent verification is just stunning to me.

The only answer is that you are smart enough to know this is all ridiculous, but are holding on to it anyways. Dissonance is a hell of a drug.

> no clear evidence

Just say "no evidence".

> (though the "big guy" phrasing refering to Joe was not proved one way or the other).

Pizzagate all over again. "As long as some words mean other words than we have a full blown, fully-proven scandal!"

Again, you aren't fooling anyone that isn't volunteering to be fooled so their worldview can be protected. The definition of a waste of time.

> Trump wasn't a topic here until you brought him up.

Are you joking? Do you think any of us even know who Hunter Biden is if it's not for the dirty efforts of the Trump campaign to drag him through the mud?

> There is no evidence to tie that hack to this leak.

Russian Intel hacked Burisma's emails, those same emails are now part of a public smear campaign. THEY ARE THE SAME EMAILS. What you meant to say is "there is no evidence that any of these hacked materials (emails, photos) came from a laptop in Delaware. Because there isn't.

> And respectable journalist Adam Housley

Never heard of him.

> also, I linked to a Fox News reporter

Just stop. This is you cheering on your team like it's Sunday football. And no one that isn't already on your team is buying it.

> He has his own document, emails, etc.

He very much does not, you just invented that.

> Lot's of people, including Glen Greenwald and Matt Taibbi

What a joke.

> abuse the information for private gains

What do you think intelligence is?

The emails came from a Russian GRU hack last year

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/13/us/politics/russian-hacke...

The photos most likely from an iCloud hack. The FBI has not made ANY claims on the content of the laptop they have, nor has the Biden campaign. I don't know where you are getting your (mis)infomation from, but I dont really care either.

> I can't speak for Giuliani, and I agree that his involvement in this is strange, but NYP, Daily Caller, and National Pulse have all offered to share the contents of the drive with other journalists. I don't know to what extent they have been taken up on it.

They are offering to share the cherry-picked communications meant to smear someone, are you actually surprised real journalists aren't taking the bait? If you actually care, ask yourself why Giuliani hasn't shared the entire drive with anyone besides far-right media dedicated to helping Trump get reelected.

> To assume that

1. Nothing from the dossier has been disproven. Many things have been corroborated.

https://www.lawfareblog.com/steele-dossier-retrospective

2. Buzzfeed isn't the NYT. You confuse the two, I dont know why.

> Irrelevant

Lol. The origins of the data was a hack of Hunter Biden's iCloud (photos) and a GRU hack of Burisma (emails), the laptop cover story is laughable, and the best you can muster is "Irrelevant".

What a joke.

"Trump commits crimes".

"Yeah but what happens if Biden commits theoretical crimes in the future? What then?"

Great point.

> It's undisputed that Hunter was getting 600k from a ukrainian national gas company

It's unsubstantiated, at best:

"However, the Daily Caller News Foundation could not confirm the accuracy of this figure, as there is no evidence the payments from Rosemont Seneca Bohai to Hunter Biden are necessarily for his work with Burisma."

https://checkyourfact.com/2019/10/17/fact-check-hunter-biden...

Why repeat something with full confidence when you have no idea if it's actually true or not (because no one does) ?

Because getting a sweetheart deal b/c your dad was VP and money laundering / theft / bribery are not two sides of the same coin. One sucks but occurs everywhere, the other is illegal.

Right, as said no evidence.

> How can anyone still be this naive?

Protecting their worldview depends on it.

Right, the DNC's emails weren't fake either. They were stolen by a state and leaked via a third party for political reasons.

That's the game.

> the Hunter Biden laptop / Bobulinski testimony.

The WSJ, while their own op-ed page was trying to make the story real, thoroughly broke down and discredited all aspects of this story. There is no tie to Joe Biden at all.

Why are you claiming otherwise with a straight face?

I always compare talking to a Trump supporter about his crimes to talking to a Pats fan about Bill Belichick or Brady getting caught cheating red-handed. Not only do they not care, they are confused as to why they should care. It's their team, nothing would convince a Pats fans to start rooting for the Giants.

I'm afraid that's where our politics are at.

To be clear, giuliani has refused to give the contents to anyone in the press. The Daily Caller (an extension of the Trump campaign) isn't to be trusted. No rational person would expect this to prove anything.

Also, Hunter's emails and photos were circulated in Ukraine last year to the highest bidder.

https://time.com/5902557/hunter-biden-rudy-giuliani-ukraine/

Someone finally paid for them and this is the way they are being laundered.

And no one is buying it.

Yes accuse Biden of corruption so Trump's corruption just doesn't bite as hard, and be maybe sneaks a few more votes.

This is a cynical game and I'm sick of so many people playing it willingly.

> youre entitled to your opinion

you are entitled to say you believe something with no evidence, and he's entitled to say that's a ridiculous thing to do.

> can you please let me know why the WSJ says there is no connection between Hunter's company and Joe Biden despite Hunter's texts discussing Joe's involvement?

Are you serious? Read the article. Your text conspiracy involves believing that certain codewords are referring to Joe Biden. It's Pizzagate all over again. "It all makes perfect sense as long as some words mean something other than what they mean!"

I am so sick of this lunacy.

What he meant to say was: "the FBI has confirmed there is a laptop". They have no commented at all about what's on it, only to say that these emails and salacious photos were being shopped around Ukraine last year and were most likely stolen at a different time.

https://time.com/5902557/hunter-biden-rudy-giuliani-ukraine/

"Everything is shit and everyone is guilty" is the exact thing an autocrat needs the majority of his citizens to believe to remain in power.