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silverlight

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Developer in the Kansas City area

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silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
Again, I agree with everything you are saying in your edit. It's just not what my CPA is saying the actual tax code says anymore.

Honestly my main reason for starting this discussion was a) to see if anyone else's professional advice (e.g. from a CPA) was different, and b) to hopefully drum up awareness so maybe in some roundabout fashion this gets changed.

silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
I started this discussion after hearing about this from my CPA, who works for a large, multi-state firm.

My other business has a different CPA that I am waiting to hear from in terms of their advice/interpretation of this.

The articles I linked in the OP is from a multi-national CPA firm.

I am basically here hoping someone else has professional advice from a CPA that contradicts what I've been told since I would love for this to be completely not how this is working.

So I just want to make sure, are you saying you heard from your CPA/tax attorney that this is not how this works? Or are you just basing that on your read of it?

silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
I agree that you are making logical sense.

I think you should review what I linked or talk to a CPA because this this indeed the change this year, and it is indeed nonsensical.

This is not the same thing as the R&D tax credit.

silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
That may be one option, but now I'm paying interest to give the government an interest-free loan in an inflationary environment. Great.
silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
Yes absolutely. I put forth a very simplified example to illustrate the point, but I assume any competent CPA (of which I am not so this is not actual advice) is going to tell you to try and separate out as much as possible that you can reasonably claim isn't "actual software development".

I'm more just frustrated at the need to do any of it, as the underlying principle is so anti-small-business. Why are we making anyone in the software field jump through all these extra hoops now just to keep their company viable?

silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
I haven't! I will forward that one to my accountant, thanks for pointing it out.
silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
Yes I assume the definition of "software development" is going to be stretched as far as possible by most companies this year.
silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
This is what I've also heard from our CPA (that no one likes this and it shouldn't be happening), but since it's here and taxes are due in April, here we are.
silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
The problem is the one above that at the start of the section:

(1) except as provided in paragraph (2), no deduction shall be allowed for such expenditures, and

What that means is, you can't take it as a normal business expense deduction, except by following (2) which is to amortize it.

silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
To be clear I would love for this to be the case. I'm just curious though how you would justify saying a developer's salary is not a software development expense?
silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
This is not what my accountant is telling me or what the articles I am finding from large accounting firms are saying...

It is not a choice anymore, if it is software dev, it's R&E now. They added a specific callout for software development only right to the tax code.

Example: if you are a restaurant and you buy an off the shelf point of sale software, this doesn't apply. If you are in the business of making a point of sale software to sell to restaurants, or your restaurant chain develops its own point of sale software internally, it applies to all costs related to the development of that software now.

silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
This is not the same as the tax credit. That is a different deal. Even if you do not claim the credit at all, you still have to do this amortization.

> Well, did you spend the $90k on W2 salaried employees, or to a vendor?

It wouldn't matter, if the expense is related to the business of developing software, it counts now.

silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
What that article is saying is that there was hope that they would act and do something so these rules didn't take effect. Congress did not act and so these rules are now in effect.

These rules were established as part of the 2017 tax bill and take effect this year.

FTA: "The short answer is that the conclusion of the current congressional session with no action on this issue means required capitalization of R&E expenditures remains applicable to the 2022 tax year."

silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
This is how it worked in previous years. Previously, you could elect to take the R&E expenses either entirely in a single year or amortized over the longer period. This year the change is:

1) You can no longer take it all in the single year, and 2) All software development is now R&E automatically, no exceptions.

Note that this is separate from the R&E tax credit that you can also claim, that's a different deal in addition to this.

silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
Correct, my company is a partnership LLC and these "phantom profits" are going to flow through to me personally to owe taxes on.
silverlight··on Ask HN: How are you handling Section 174 changes for bootstrapped companies?
In the example I am giving it would be any expense related to "software development." So paying a salary to another person on your team (or 1099 income to a contractor), buying tools to aid in the development, anything at all really.
silverlight··on Show HN: Battlewords – Wordle Meets Battleship
Hey everyone,

I've been working on a little side project which is a version of Wordle that you can play against others. Choose a word, then take turns guessing and see who gets it first. The twist: any letters you use in your own guess are revealed to the other player if they are in your secret word!

You can play in your browser here:

https://battlewords.riley.dev/

There's also an Android app available:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=dev.riley.batt...

Unfortuantely, Apple has rejected the app as being too much of a Wordle copycat.

The tech stack is Expo/React Native on the front end, and then Firebase (Hosting, Functions and RTDB) on the backend.

If you challenge a Random Opponent and we don't find someone to play against you within 2 minutes, we'll have a Bot play against you so you can always play a game if you want to.

My friend group has been playing it for a few days now and finding it fun, but let me know what you think!

silverlight··on [dead]
Are you saying this is a totally new network? As in not Visa or Mastercard etc? If so what sort of acceptance at merchants do you anticipate and how do you solve for that?
silverlight··on A new brain implant automatically detects and kills pain in real time
Reminds me of The Terminal Man
silverlight··on City of Bees: Notes of an Urban Beekeeper
We are starting our first apiary this year!
silverlight··on MI5 moves UK Terrorism threat level to “SEVERE”
Has that happened before? If so when?
silverlight··on Firebase Database is down
Seems to be coming back online for us now.
silverlight··on Firebase Database is down
We're definitely seeing it fully down across all 30 of our Realtime DBs on there. Hopefully they'll fix it soon!
silverlight··on AI-controlled brain implants for mood disorders tested in people
Reminds me of The Terminal Man by Michael Crichton. Just re read it the other day and although it’s fiction and overblown, it is crazy to see the future catch up to what was science fiction 30 years ago.
silverlight··on Bill Gates buys land in Arizona to build 'smart city'
Do you enjoy living there overall? My wife and I have talked about moving there sometimes. We have two boys 4 and 6 and like the idea of a close knit community, walking to parks, etc.
silverlight··on Ask HN: What weekend projects have you created?
https://buildme.gg

Heroes of the Storm builds auto generated from pro matches. Just a fun little thing that was useful to me, no current long-term plans to turn it into a business or anything.

silverlight··on WordPress is not WordPress.com
Yeah of all SaaS-and-OSS linked projects, Wordpress strikes me as incredibly innoffensive. This is like getting mad at Canonical for owning Ubuntu.com and selling addon services and support contracts.
silverlight··on Ask HN: What are you working on?
I'm working on building an indie room-scale VR MMO.

https://orbusvr.com

It's pretty ambitious for a small team, but we did a successful Kickstarter campaign previously and we're keeping the scope reasonable. We've held a few successful stress tests already and Closed Alpha starts in a couple of weeks.

silverlight··on How I Let Disney Track My Every Move
If you're in Disney World, it's safe to assume Disney is tracking you to some degree, Magic Band or no. They have staff. They have cameras everywhere. You sign up for Fast Pass and you buy their food. This isn't some government agency tracking you in your home or in the street where you have a reasonable expectation of privacy.

My guess is the vast majority of people appreciate the convenience of automatically getting a photo of themselves on a ride. To pull out another example of putting the tracker in the ears hats for kids, please tag my kid every way you can while we're there. My fear of losing them in a busy park far outweighs my concern that you know I took them on the Pooh Bear ride.

silverlight··on Google Hangouts temporarily won’t support phone/video calls on Firefox
Our WebRTC video calling system on Roll20 is used by around 50k people per week and works fine in both Chrome and Firefox.
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