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snrplfth··on Drug firms poured 780M painkillers into WV amid rise of overdoses
What makes a War on Drugs doable is the laws prohibiting drugs. It's literally what makes it legally possible. You'll note that very few adults are arrested for "possession of alcohol".
snrplfth··on Drug firms poured 780M painkillers into WV amid rise of overdoses
"Regulated but not banned" is not a middle ground between "banned or not". It is "not banned". I am not saying that you can't have regulations on a drug, I am saying that if you make a drug entirely illegal, and it is in sufficiently high demand, then you will have drug-war-type effects.
snrplfth··on Drug firms poured 780M painkillers into WV amid rise of overdoses
Yes, of course, rules against incorrectly marked or marketed or adulterated products are different from the war on drugs. What I'm saying is that drug-war-type activities are based on rules prohibiting the sale of particular goods even with zero promises as to their safety or efficacy. (And the FDA does enforce a number of such rules, though certainly not that many compared to other bodies.)

If someone was convinced that gasoline would cure their hair loss, they couldn't get it through a pharmacy, but they could still get it from someone making no such promises. If someone was convinced that cocaine would cure their hair loss, they can't get it any way, any how - even just as something labelled "dangerous goods, do not consume". That's the prohibitive authority that leads to raids and cartel warfare. And that's the power that many people still support the FDA/DEA/government having, and which I am pointing out is the root of the problems with the drug war.

snrplfth··on Drug firms poured 780M painkillers into WV amid rise of overdoses
> If personal possession and consumption stopped being a crime, that would effectively end the War on Drugs overnight.

Well, sure, the current way it's being done. But you'd still have cartel warfare for selling territory, adulterated goods, and to effectively shut down distributors, you'd have to define smaller and smaller amounts of substance as qualifying for "dealing", as dealers learned what they could and couldn't get away with. Perhaps I should not have used the capital-letter "War on Drugs" to refer to this. But you would still have much of what you have now.

Now, would it be net improvement if enforcement of drug laws moved towards a dealers-and-manufacturers model? Sure, I think so. But my point is that there would still be no principle in place preventing that model from expanding again into a broader prohibition, involving new substances, posessions, uses, or what have you. It would be like saying "we'll have free speech, except if it's bad, or we don't like the person saying it, or some other reason that we might think up later." There's no sufficiently strong principle preventing prohibitions from continually increasing.

> I honestly have a lot more sympathy for an addict, or a bystander, whose life was destroyed by the state, then I do for his heroin dealer. I think most people opposing the War on Drugs on grounds other then ideological anarcho-capitalism share this assessment.

That's probably true. However, I don't think sympathy is an effective basis for judging whether things should be legal. And if observing that a government with an expansive power to ban things will probably use and aggrandize that power makes me an anarcho-capitalist (rather than, say, just a boring classical liberal) then so be it.

snrplfth··on Drug firms poured 780M painkillers into WV amid rise of overdoses
Let me try to clarify: if you have rules prohibiting the creation and sale of substances solely for personal consumption by competent, consenting adults, then you have the primary tool needed to conduct a War on Drugs. I think that it is a mistaken notion to imagine creating this power, and saying "don't worry, we'll only ban dangerous things, and not harmless things, because we'll know better." I think that is definitely not the case. Yes, many people want a different mix of things banned and permitted. But people should not fool themselves into thinking that is what they will get, because a power like that is pretty much always used for more things than its creators intend. We cannot simultaneously prohibit things, and not enforce that prohibition through, ultimately, threats of imprisonment. If the maximum penalty for a drug charge is a ticket, then the prohibition on drugs will simply not be effective.

The War on Drugs has involved arresting and imprisoning a lot of people, because a lot of people really want drugs. Once the soft enforcement mechanisms (reprimands, misdemeanors, fines of legitimate businesses) fail, then if you really want to suppress the act, you have to ramp up the level of force. The reason that fewer people are imprisoned under FDA rulings is, I would say, because the FDA is more lenient, and because the things it bans are far more niche and less desired. You can have effective, or you can have gentle, but you cannot have both.

snrplfth··on Drug firms poured 780M painkillers into WV amid rise of overdoses
I understand that, yes. But what I am saying is that, even with a "safety" criterion, the War on Drugs is completely prosecutable. Heck, alcohol is dangerous as hell, as evidenced by the number of deaths it precipitates. There is nearly always a safety criterion that can be thought up for "products for personal consumption" (as opposed to, say, environmental pollutants) You can have prohibition of "unsafe substances", or you can have an end to the War on Drugs. I don't think you can have both.
snrplfth··on Drug firms poured 780M painkillers into WV amid rise of overdoses
I was replying to the comment, which left out that context from the quoted statement. Context which I knew because I read the article.
snrplfth··on Drug firms poured 780M painkillers into WV amid rise of overdoses
Okay, but what I'm saying is that once the tools are in place to ban various substances for personal consumption, and make those bans stick through enforcement, then that's all the tools you need for a War on Drugs. I mean, at that point, it's just "ban this thing, and not that thing, because it's what I want."

What takes doublethink is imagining that, once these powers are in place, they won't be used against one's preferred substances.

snrplfth··on Drug firms poured 780M painkillers into WV amid rise of overdoses
I mean, I don't know what those numbers are. But when people give a per capita value for something that occurs over time, nearly always, that value is per annum. But here it wasn't, it was over several years.

It'd be like saying "the per capita income of New York State is $185,688!" When that's actually the per capita income over six years.

snrplfth··on Drug firms poured 780M painkillers into WV amid rise of overdoses
Well, they still destroy unapproved drugs at the border and raid places like whole milk producers and nutritional supplement makers. It's not exactly "caveat emptor" over at the FDA.

My point is really that, if somebody's solution to the problem of people overdosing on drugs is to ban them or prohibit access, then they're defacto acquiescing to the tools that make the War on Drugs possible. People seem to expect drugs they don't like to just "go away", without any of the nasty raiding and shooting.

snrplfth··on Drug firms poured 780M painkillers into WV amid rise of overdoses
I've never been quite able to grasp the logic of those people who think that, while the War on Drugs is a bad idea, the FDA being able to ban whatever drugs it likes is a good idea. Either the government should have the power to ban drugs or it shouldn't, but too many people seem to want it both ways: prohibition without enforcement.
snrplfth··on Drug firms poured 780M painkillers into WV amid rise of overdoses
Well, 433 over six years, 2007 through 2012. Which is about 72 per year, per person.

I mean, what is supposed to be done about this? Cut off WV from painkillers? Have the DEA raid a bunch of pharmacies?

snrplfth··on Amazon has made its first drone delivery to an actual customer
I'm pretty sure that shooting down aircraft is already illegal. IANAL, though.
snrplfth··on Amazon has made its first drone delivery to an actual customer
This is a good point. Drones will probably be used for very prompt delivery. So the problem of unsecured packages will probably not be that important, for the same reasons that the problem of unsecured delivered pizzas is not that important.
snrplfth··on Amazon has made its first drone delivery to an actual customer
Oh, I think a few people will try - until they get chased down by "Order Fulfillment Assurance Drones" and carried away to a nearby unregistered warehouse for interrogation.
snrplfth··on Apprenticeships: Useful Alternative, Tough to Implement
Thanks for looking. I've never heard of it happening, but all sort of arrangements happen in the grey areas of the law. I've been stipended before as an intern, but under the understanding that my hourly "wage" would not drop below the minimum.
snrplfth··on Apprenticeships: Useful Alternative, Tough to Implement
I think the problem of definition is that you opened with "slavery, or indentured servitude", and the article here referred to previously existing indenture systems where servants breaking their contracts would be jailed. Your wikipedia definition (which I find overly broad) doesn't include what is the salient part, which is what the consequences of breaking a debt bond are. (EDIT: I would say the caveat "within a system of unfree labor" would get the closest, but still leaves this unclear.)

A system where you take on a debt, and are jailed if you renege it, is very different than a system where you take on a debt, and can discharge it in bankruptcy. That's the crucial difference, and I think the text makes it clear that Cato are not advocating the former.

And I don't see how employment/training is so different from anything else for which you might take out a forfeitable loan. If you're saying that all debts payable to a single creditor are "indenture", then so are mortgages and car loans. The "servitude" part would come about solely as a consequence of it being a loan based on work, rather than anything else.

snrplfth··on Apprenticeships: Useful Alternative, Tough to Implement
Hmm...I do not see in those links where a sub-minimum stipend is allowed except in the case of high school vocational training. Can you quote it? (Criteria #6 appears to indicate no wages permitted.)
snrplfth··on Apprenticeships: Useful Alternative, Tough to Implement
A forfeitable posted bond is not indentured servitude any more than student loans are. (EDIT: It's really just a way to prepay for training without falling afoul of wage laws.) Now, I would rather that such loans were harmonized with the bankruptcy law for other types of loans, but it's not servitude. (If it is, then there's a whole lot of people indentured to their bank for a house. Is that how far we want to expand this definition?)

Sure, the union-run apprenticeship represents the employee's interest - but only by excluding others from that position. If the only way you can get a license into a trade is to complete a union apprenticeship, then the union is effectively shutting out people from that trade. That's the complaint; not that it's bad for the apprentice, but rather that it's bad for those not permitted to be apprentices.

snrplfth··on Apprenticeships: Useful Alternative, Tough to Implement
That would be in a logically consistent world. We are not in that world.

The main rules are here, for unpaid internships: https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs71.pdf

So unpaid ($0) internships are permitted for certain restricted circumstances. But if you fall outside this category, you jump right up to 'employee', and have to be paid the minimum wage. Basically, once you start paying, you have to pay all the way. (Now, there is a subminimum scale of 75% of the minimum wage, but it's only available for high school enrolees above 16 years of age, for vocational training, and is granted at the discretion of the Department of Labor: https://www.dol.gov/whd/minwage/q-a.htm)

snrplfth··on Apprenticeships: Useful Alternative, Tough to Implement
Well, that's the problem, isn't it? At the outset, not only is it hard to tell whether an apprentice will stay once trained, but also whether they'll be any good at what they're being trained to do. It's doubly risky, which explains a lot of the reluctance to take on apprentices.
snrplfth··on Apprenticeships: Useful Alternative, Tough to Implement
What I'm saying is that, if you insist that monetary compensation for a particular job must be no less than a certain amount, then all other benefits (insurance, training, experience) will be limited by that.

A job that does not confer many added skills or valuable experience may therefore be available for that wage, but one where much of the compensation is training may not be available at that wage price.

It's not a case of "apprentices making more money" vs. "apprentices making less money". It's a case of "apprentices making less money" vs. "apprentices not hired at all."

snrplfth··on Apprenticeships: Useful Alternative, Tough to Implement
The problem is that, generally by law, you can either pay them $0, or minimum wage, but not in-between. This creates a gap in the market, and generally skews internships towards people who can afford to make $0 for an extended period.
snrplfth··on Apprenticeships: Useful Alternative, Tough to Implement
Did you even read the article? From the text:

"It is entirely clear that 21st century Americans have no interest in jailing runaway apprentices. A legislative proposal calling for the arrest and detention of individuals in breach of their apprenticeship contracts would rightly be met with jeers and guffaws."

The big reason they don't like the German approach is because it excludes from the trades those who don't have the "appropriate" licenses. This shuts those of little means out of these jobs. They proposed, as possible solutions, vouchers, loans, and possibly permitting non-compete agreements.

Your accusation of "re-introducing slavery, or at least indentured servitude", is deeply dishonest.

snrplfth··on Apprenticeships: Useful Alternative, Tough to Implement
Yes, that's the thing. Total compensation for apprentices (for most employees really) is their pay, plus the experience gained, which can be considerable.

But US wage law very rarely makes any exceptions for apprentices like this, so it's rarely worthwhile to bring them on unless they already have some training.

Unfortunately, much of the legislative consensus in the US is that minimum wages do not have any effect on employment levels, even of the young and inexperienced. Many municipalities and states are in the process of raising their minimum wages (for all ages) to $20 AUD.

snrplfth··on Apprenticeships: Useful Alternative, Tough to Implement
Paying that little is generally illegal in the USA. At minimum wage, a worker working 37.5 hours a week will earn $1087 a month. If they're underperforming that price, it doesn't make sense to hire them.
snrplfth··on Apprenticeships: Useful Alternative, Tough to Implement
The point is that they are useful at multiple employers. An employer, when training an apprentice, incurs a cost in doing so, but cannot be sure that they'll be able to recoup the cost if the apprentice leaves soon after finishing training.
snrplfth··on Facebook’s Walled Wonderland Is Inherently Incompatible with News
> Wonder why we aren't working 15 hour weeks as predicted by Keynes? Blame all the people making adverts and everyone who's making content funded by those adverts.

Keynes was speaking relative to the conditions of the day, though. The real GDP per capita of the UK in 1930, when he wrote, was $5400. You wouldn't have to work for very long to make that kind of money, as an average UK worker. I've worked 20 hours a week at a below-average wage and considered myself quite a bit wealthier than your typical low-middle-class Briton of 1930. The big differences are that "normal" living standards have risen so fast, and so much unpaid work (largely housework and time-consuming chores) have been automated.

How do you actually know people are fooled? Your subjective opinion of their best interest? How can you usefully distinguish good advertising from bad advertising? How do you know that people are "persuaded" to act against their own self-interest - and not that they simply have preferences you don't like?

snrplfth··on Vancouver Housing Tax Pushes Chinese to $1M Seattle Homes
I'd say it's overwhelmingly due to the regulatory straightjacket these cities are caught in. Municipal and regional governments have made it extremely difficult to add new housing through increased density, and then they find that prices are climbing sharply, and wonder "how did this happen?!" Well, supply was choked off.
snrplfth··on Vancouver Housing Tax Pushes Chinese to $1M Seattle Homes
We can stack houses though. That does work pretty well.
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