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swalling··on Wild mammals are making a comeback in Europe
This is a good example in particular because state and federal agencies have been extremely judicious when it comes to doing reintroductions since then.

In the rest of the West (CA, OR, WA, ID, MT) there have been basically zero wolf reintroductions recently. Wolf packs are spreading naturally back to their historical range, and agencies are instead focused on tracking populations and working with local communities to regulate hunting, protect the livelihoods of ranchers, etc.

swalling··on Only virgin type of olive oil consumption reduces the risk of mortality: study
It's not "adulteration" so much as fraud by mixing it with cheaper oils or labeling oil as "extra-virgin" when it's not.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_oil_regulation_and_adult...

swalling··on Only virgin type of olive oil consumption reduces the risk of mortality: study
Adulteration of olive oil typically happens in transit/shipping by wholesalers, not by producers. Spanish or Italian olive farms aren't diluting with corn oil or whatever during production on the farm/when pressing, it's by aggregators who are buying and selling oil in bulk by volume. So if you're buying olive made, processed, and bottled by a single farm whose origin is local you're structurally at less risk than a generic "Italian" oil or one that says the country of origin could one of 3-4 countries. Also California has a mandatory sampling and testing program https://www.oliveoilcommission.org/

If you want to go deep on the topic, this is a great read: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/10955085-extra-virginity

swalling··on IPOs Bring Tax Jackpot for California; Can Lawmakers Resist?
Taxing founders and employees even more (on top of CA's very high income tax and capital gains) seems like a ridiculous proposal when corporate net taxes are low or zero in many cases.
swalling··on Khosla Rebuffed as Supreme Court Rejects Beach-Access Appeal
What would happen if everyone who wanted to recreate on this beach simply ignored his signs, took down the gate, and treated the road like the public right of way it should be? The police already declined to press charges on one group of surfers who "trespassed" right?

Ultimately, he doesn't have the power to physically prevent people from going to the beach, and if enough people ignored his buffoonery the state would probably not consider it a useful expenditure of policing resources to enforce it.

swalling··on Pinterest Is a Unicorn, It Just Doesn’t Act Like One
I think one point you're missing is that the vast majority of people use Pinterest for reasons that are different than a social network. Even if it may have some of the same surface-level mechanisms (like a personalized feed or share buttons), it is very much _not_ used as a tool to broadcast personal updates, read news, or cultivate relationships among people. The average user treats it much more like a visual search engine with a bookmarking system built into it than a social network.

Also, this is a minor quibble, but Pinterest does not have a Like system any longer. I know because I worked on deprecating it.

swalling··on Why American Workers Now Dress So Casually
http://www.gq.com/story/the-male-romper-is-here You're welcome
swalling··on Wikimedia Foundation spending
Their Annual Plan with spending breakdown is published every year on wikimediafoundation.org. The draft for the upcoming year is https://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Wikimedia_Foundation_Annual_...

TL;DR: the largest chunk of the budget goes to the two departments that do engineering/design/PM/data science.

On your last point ("for all we know most of their staff time is off building stuff like Wiktionary") it's actually a big gripe in the smaller communities that probably 90% of the time and attention goes to Wikipedia.

swalling··on Wikimedia Foundation spending
[Former product manager at the Wikimedia Foundation and longtime Wikipedia editor/admin here.]

The author of the op-ed is a devoted editor but seems almost totally ignorant of how development is conducted. The Foundation has been doing transparent quarterly/yearly roadmap planning alongside their annual plan / budget cycle (which is shared all publicly). On a shorter timeframe, they are pretty serious about Agile/Scrum. You can see on https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Staff_and_contractors that today they even have a team of half a dozen full time Scrum masters. If what he thinks is missing is serious, detailed planning, he's sorely wrong.

The platform (MediaWiki) is still a FOSS community so you can find project requirements docs/roadmaps all over mediawiki.org, all the bugs on Phabricator, follow along on mailing lists, and even see commits on their Gerrit instance.

Agile isn't my cup of tea personally and I could grok criticisms of the organization's software output (ignoring the fact that they're buried under 10+ years of technical debt...), but it takes minimal digging to find all their plans and timelines. I would venture that the author chose not to dig into this because he, like a lot of entrenched old school editors, viscerally hates some of the past attempts to make MediaWiki a modern collaboration platform, such as building a WYSIWYG editor and a threaded discussion system to replace wiki talk pages.

swalling··on Why we're updating the default typography for Wikipedia
Do you have Liberation Sans or Arimo installed? Or are you on XP with ClearType off?
swalling··on Why we're updating the default typography for Wikipedia
If this is interesting, you might also like to read the longer post by Wikimedia's Director of UX about the change. https://medium.com/p/1724cb2b7402
swalling··on Brendan Eich becomes Mozilla CEO
That would be welcome to hear, as a Mozilla user and someone who wants to trust the org to stand for inclusive, humanist values in Internet technology.
swalling··on Wikimedia Foundation sends cease and desist letter to WikiPR
> We still have not taken the step of building a wikipedia page for our startup, and instead have continued to focus on making it notable.

Wikipedia admin here. This is the right way to go about it, though I would add "making it notable" doesn't just include product work, but includes generating press about your startup. Especially if you can get something more mainstream than tech press like TechCrunch, The Verge, etc.

swalling··on A/B Testing is Expensive
One cheap (in time and money) complement to A/B or multivariate testing that the author doesn't mention is usability testing, specifically remote testing. Before we launch a test, we always run remote usability tests.

Feedback like this should be taken with a grain of salt, since these people are testers, not necessarily like your users in all respects. But it's still really valuable. I've caught numerous errors that test data would not help me understand easily.

Combine remote usability testing through something like usertesting.com with prototyping, and you've got a really rapid way to get feedback on the cheap, even if you don't have enough site visitors to get statistical significance on a reasonable time frame.

swalling··on Is It O.K. to Kill Cyclists?
It's no surprise the author of this piece is from San Francisco. SF is a particularly dangerous city to cycle in, at least for commuters. Riding on the main drags of Market street, Mission, and others is exceedingly dangerous, since drivers are reckless and you're competing with MUNI buses, streetcars, and in packed cycling lanes.

I'm originally from Portland, which is a cyclist's heaven for a major city, but there's still too much competition with cars. I've also spent time in small towns like Davis, which is probably the cycling capital of the States. The only solution I can see for really safe cycling is to create cycling-only lanes that don't compete with cars and pedestrians.

swalling··on Wikipedia Zero
For me, the moral precedent is giving millions of people free access to vital educational information.

People who want and need access to Wikipedia Zero are like these South African high school students, living in a slum: https://blog.wikimedia.org/2013/06/19/movement-for-free-acce...

swalling··on Peak - keep track of what everyone is working on
So you take a picture of each sketch, and upload them to Dropbox, perhaps automatically with that "upload photos from my phone to Dropbox by default" feature.

It seems to me that one of things this app might enforce is the idea that your work isn't really done until you've documented it and/or shared it. Pushing for measurement of using tools like Dropbox, Gmail, Basecamp, Google Drive, etc. might enforce this ethos. Yes, it's definitely not perfect: it's not tracking that time when you lean over and ask the designer next to you for feedback, and so on. But it seems worth an experimental try.

I know many very productive people who seem less productive than they are, because they hate going to some project management tool and documenting what they accomplished. If we could semi-automate documentation of work being done, such as by hooking in to Github, that might make their progress more visible with little to no effort.

swalling··on The Decline of Wikipedia: As More People Rely on It, Fewer People Create It
Yes, this is an idea we definitely want to try at Wikimedia.

Right now, some of our most popular articles in English are perpetually semi-protected, meaning anonymous or brand new contributors can't edit. That means millions of pageviews are on articles that don't even have an edit button visible. :(

Some Wikipedias, like German, Polish, Russian and others already use a system called "Flagged Revisions", which is an obtuse name for software that instead of protecting a page, delays edits and makes them subject to approval from someone experienced. Unfortunately the workflow for this software is clunky and it doesn't seem to be helping German and other Wikipedias stay vibrant.

I'd really like to A/B test a very easy "suggest an edit" as an alternative. I think it could work, because Wikipedians are already pretty good at staying on top of the request queue, if you manage to make a request on the Talk page. One thing we'd need to be careful of is not garnering suggestions by cannibalizing the people who would otherwise have just edited.

swalling··on The Decline of Wikipedia: As More People Rely on It, Fewer People Create It
People want to create content, not fix other people's grammatical mistakes.

Hey, I'm the product manager for that work (also quoted in the article). I thought I might mention that we've A/B tested our task suggestion workflow extensively, and the answer is definitively that Wikipedians want to do both things. I can share links to all our research, which is public, if you want.

There are basically two kinds of people who sign up for Wikipedia: those with something to do in mind, and those who want a suggestion of where to start. The evidence we've gathered so far shows that many new contributors like being able to get started and learn the ropes doing something that's easy and not intimidating. They have a positive first experience editing, and then they typically move on to other tasks, having gained more confidence. We are giving people options, not requiring anyone to do N number of grammatical fixes in order to earn badges, privileges or anything of the sort.

I should also note that among more advanced editors, there is actually a popular Guild of Copyeditors that does highly-coordinated copyediting drives on Wikipedia. Not to mention all the peer review for quality that happens in other places. Never underestimate the interest of grammar nazis in fixing your comma usage. ;)

swalling··on Wikipedia editors, locked in battle with PR firm, delete 250 accounts
Related post previously on the front page: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6580333
swalling··on Is Wikipedia for Sale?
Wikimedia also provides several sources of data and infrastructure for hosting potential tools like this, if you'd like to take it on. In addition to public data streams like RecentChanges and public API access, we provide hosting infrastructure in the form of Labs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikimedia_Labs). Not to mention the fact that anyone can write and submit a MediaWiki extension that could get deployed to Wikipedia itself.

One related piece of infrastructure is the automated tagging of edits. There are already several tags automatically applied to edits with a suspected conflict of interest regarding linking or autobiographies (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Tags).

swalling··on Is Wikipedia for Sale?
There are related terms in the current Terms of Use, namely that you may not edit "With the intent to deceive, posting content that is false or inaccurate" and that also disallowed is "Attempting to impersonate another user or individual, misrepresenting your affiliation with any individual or entity, or using the username of another user with the intent to deceive;"[1]

So in other words, deliberate falsehoods or manipulation by PR people or paid agents that hide their affiliation with a company is already a ToU violation.

1. https://wikimediafoundation.org/wiki/Terms_of_Use

swalling··on Is Wikipedia for Sale?
"Take a look at almost any living famous person's profile and chances are you'll see a large amount of spin and fluff."

Citation needed.

According to recent traffic reports,[1] some of the most popular biographies of living people recently are as follows:

- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lorde (449,871 views) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malala_Yousafzai (362,657 views) - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miley_Cyrus (342,994 views)

Other popular bios include Barack Obama and Ted Cruz. Obviously popularity of these swings heavily toward recent news items in most cases.

Now, I wouldn't argue against the assertion that fans of these celebrities have written in some amazing fluff in these articles. But you'd really claim that these articles have been spun by PR people? Looking at the history and the content, I seriously doubt it.

Now, if you don't care for how Wikipedia's reliance on third party sources bends content... well, there's not much anyone can do to help you. That's a problem of the media environment Wikipedia exists in, and you haven't really proposed a viable alternative to relying on secondary source material. The way we correct for bias in sources is to use more sources, and be selective about ones we use, taking in to account the fact that some are highly unreliable.

In the end, if you have a problem with how Wikipedia relies on certain sources or what it says on certain articles, there's an easy solution: edit the damn thing. I don't particularly care about the Miley Cyrus article, but if I did, I'd be doing something about it. Wikipedia's best defense against fluff, spin, and PR influence is for smart people (like Hacker News denizens) to participate.

1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Wikipedia_Signpost/2...

swalling··on Stop making me sign up
Interesting. One opposite experience: anonymous Wikipedia editing.

Most registered Wikipedians today (59%) say they edited anonymously before registering. That doesn't mean they all necessarily did, but it suggests it's being used in this "try before you buy" way. One piece of data that backs this up for us...

If you're anonymous, there is a call to action on the edit window that informs you're not logged in, and invites you to sign up. That one small link on the edit interface is 9% of all signups on English Wikipedia, and these users have a much higher first time edit rate. On some other language Wikipedias, like Spanish and Japanese, it's even higher -- between 10 and 20% of all signups. I find this somewhat boggling, because in theory it's a horrible experience to interrupt people mid-edit.

I think your tests with Workflowly and the first commenters examples are still correct by and large. Getting users to commit after they try something without signup is tricky, and you lose the ability to easily call them back via email.

For me, the larger lesson is that you need to test this rigorously and be prepared for either approach to fail. It all depends on your product and what your users are like. Turns out many successful Wikipedians are the type who love to dive right in and change things. People who declare that either approach is always going to be superior are falling prey to a bad assumption about how all products and users are alike.

swalling··on Wikipedia page for each emoji
Full list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Redirects_from_Unicod...

Perhaps most interesting is that it's not a search engine feature or anything really built in to the software beyond Unicode support. Rather, English Wikipedians made a ton of redirects, primarily by hand. Fun use case for this is using the emoji keyboard on iOS to search Wikipedia for 💩 or similar silly things.

swalling··on The Wikipedia layer has been removed from Google Maps
If anyone is looking for a replacement tool to see nearby Wikipedia pages, we recently built this in as a permanent feature, accessible at:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Nearby

This is in the site navigation on mobile web and it's accessible on desktop. The official Wikipedia apps also have a nearby feature as well, but I wouldn't recommend you use them to be honest. Our mobile web view is much faster, and allows you edit, upload photos, watch pages, etc.

swalling··on After NSA's XKeyscore, Wikipedia Switches to HTTPS
It may not make much of a difference to you, but I should point out that our colo in the Netherlands is mostly used for a Squid cache cluster, and is not a primary datacenter.

Also, the citation you give is about phone tapping, not the kind of NSA-style online surveillance we're talking about trying to protect against with HTTPS support.

IMO, in general you shouldn't consider your activity over HTTP private regardless of whether you trust a particular government or not. Even some random individual running Firesheep in your local cafe is a threat in such a case.

About the larger point: even with the fully craptastic information we've learned about NSA snooping, there are huge advantages for Wikipedia users to have our organization and Wikipedia data hosted in the United States. As one big one: I'm not sure Wikipedia could survive if it wasn't for Section 230 of the Communications Decency Act.[1]

1. https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/07/cda-230-success-cases-...

swalling··on After NSA's XKeyscore, Wikipedia Switches to HTTPS
"If the NSA wanted to snoop Wikipedia lookups it would force Wikipedia to install PRISM-like access devices to the site itself, secretly."

Wikimedia employee here. FYI, we're headquartered in SF, but we have no datacenter here. All traffic goes through our datacenters in FL, VA, and Amsterdam.

swalling··on Jimmy Wales outing Snowden on Wikipedia
Nothing to see here. This is just an admin looking to stir up drama for Jimmy, and the discussion was closed accordingly. All he did was ask if Snowden had ever edited, that we know of. The answer is no.
swalling··on Apple Is Using Sass, And They’re Doing It Wrong
Edited accordingly.
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