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We are going to launch in the next 3-5 months. So yes, it is real.

This is a very deep question. Under the hood we are creating a platform that allows to create Apps very fast and with all required specific cases. If you want more technical details, please ask. We use Clojure, PostgreSQL and Javascript.

It's relatively funny, however negative connotation is there. It is hard to predict the launch, but usually name is not a big deal.

It's astonishing how many things were really implemented. Lick would be happy to see this.

I don't get this company and this product. Insane valuation, insane money. No idea how it is possible with so many competitors around and so weird product...

The most interesting part is de-augmentation experiment with a brick and a pen. Contradictio in contrarium!

Endless scroll as a single navigation pattern? WTF?

Dig deeper.

I don't agree here. We have a renaissance of systems that provide depth for creators:

- Airtable

- Notion

- Coda

- ...

Here is a deep comparison of Notion, Coda, Airtable and Zenkit

The Next Wave of Work Management Software https://hackernoon.com/the-next-wave-of-work-management-soft...

made my day. Never saw it!

Everybody sees "Clojure" → click upvote → Read the article → regret it → look for downvote button → :( /me

http://www.targetprocess.com - project management

http://slack.com - team communication

I'm working on http://fibery.io

Fibery is work management platform that should replace all PM tools in the next 10 years :)

Context:

https://fibery.io - Work management platform for SMB

Stack:

Clojure

PostgreSQL

Kafka

React

Javascript

Average churn is close to 20%. Definitely it is different for various cohorts. For Targetprocess we have this distribution:

1-20 users - churn 35%

21-100 users - churn 18%

100+ users - churn 7%

In our pm product (Targetprocess) average customer lifetime is about 4 years.

What if you have a product, that integrates best tools in any given category? Slack, GitHub, etc? Can this solution beat Jira?

The more interesting question is "Who can beat Atlassian in productivity market?" What properties this product should have? What Atlassian weaknesses should it attack?

Exactly. Startup = Growth http://www.paulgraham.com/growth.html

It is similar to say to a writer:

"Never edit a paragraph, always rewrite it".

Looks weird.

I partially agree with you, but personal productivity varies. So in our company we have a rule "work as much as you like, usually we expect no less than 30 hours, but it is OK to do 50. Anything beyond these ranges is odd".

I think it is possible to create a tool that will grow with the company from simplest setup to full blown PM tool with time.

I develop Targetprocess (JIRA competitor in general) during 13 years.

And I completely agree with the article. It is EXTREMELY difficult to balance product development to have a good enough feature set and bearable complexity.

Here are two very typical feedback we receive from end users:

NEGATIVE. Compare to Jira Target process is way behind. No ticket has the testing phase. This is very poor by design and it is very difficult to learn, because so many things on the ticket at a time and cant locate important things like Sprint or who is assigned and in which state it is? Very badly designed system.

POSITIVE. It was easy to use, and since I've been forced to use Jira instead now, I miss so many of the features Target Process had... Sigh. Perhaps some day we can convince the company go to back to TP.

To be honest, there are more critical references than positive.

I have concluded several rules to myself from my experience:

1. Developers hate project management tools (rightfully so, in general). Anything more complex than Trello will be ridiculed and hated.

2. Teams should be allowed to choose own tools, but then we have a lack of high-level management overview. In this situation management almost always win (sadly).

3. Any serious PM tool should be a Platform with Apps in fact. JIRA is closest to this, but it is old and legacy have its price, so it is more complex then required. I expect to see completely new tools that will beat JIRA in a couple of years (Slack of PM tools :)

It is faster now. Take a look at Fibery as well http://fibery.io/

This strategy is an epic win. It totally resonates with my experience.

>But I wish Boards where a visualisation on a list rather of a new object

Targetprocess solves that, but it is heavier than Asana.

This is just a wishful thinking that does not reflect real life.

I think Asana tries to upscale. It is easy to make a solution for a single person or a single team, but when you try to create company-wide platform (as Asana tries), it is inevitably leads to complications like Workspaces/Organizations/Projects/Teams. Domain model becomes complex and it is still a monolith, so performance degrades. We have exactly the same problem in Targetprocess. So slowness is kinda explainable.

However, on my opinion products like Trello and Asana will have hard time trying to scale. Most likely we will see new products that will take this segment by storm, like Slack in work chats niche. All current solutions are not good for organizations.

Most likely Asana will be too simple for you then. For example, you can't assign more that two people on a task and estimates are just custom fields that are not so ingrained into the system, so you'll have troubles with reports.