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In defense of the OP, the limit was probably never code, but the willingness to find and build for an audience. Even with LLM Coding, Product Management is still a skill that has to be built, and the way almost every Startup Failed Retro starts with "I wish I had talked to my customers more" probably the more important one.

> But for everyone except professional developers vibe coding is amazing.

I think I might argue the opposite but sure.

Also odd at a time when Dario is looking overseas for investments:

https://www.wired.com/story/anthropic-dario-amodei-gulf-stat...

Really I think the entire AI hype machine is to blame, all the thought leaders particularly cxo’s.

How am I supposed to believe that like AI is getting to the point that OpenAI can charge 20k per month for PHD level AI, and it doesn’t know not to drop my production database, how are we supposed to get to the point as Dario Amodei puts it that no one is coding by years end, if it’s not most of the way there already?

I would never let an LLM touch my production database, but like, I could certainly look at the environment and make an argument as to why I’m wrong, and thought leaders across the industry; inside and out are broadly making the implication that a good entrepreneur is outsourcing all their labor to like 20 LLM workers at a time.

On some measure, I would say that you shouldn’t let your LLM do this is a minority opinion in the thought-o-sphere.

Money? I could care less about hype, but maybe that’s because I don’t know how to monetize it

I’m curious what can over take the AI hype cycle, I’m sure something, but in some sense AI feels like the hype cycle to end all hype cycles, but we’ve had AI hype cycles before.

There's also another basically core question to me which is -- what is a conservative tech industry? What does it mean to conserve societal institutions and also create the vision of a new world through technology? I guess it means what we're looking at now with a tech industry focused on defense and surveillance?

It’s hard for me to see the chicken and the egg here (odd tech approval started declining in 2016 but they blame Biden)

But there’s a flywheel here, where the world seems to have turned on tech, and then, rather than say product managing the problem, tech turns further against the world.

Andreesen says this directly, where he’s mad that the world no longer recognizes philanthropy, so rather than trying to say, how can we serve people better to create what they value, it’s becoming, what if AI meant we didn’t have to make anybody happy. Peter Thiel paused when asked if humanity was good and should continue.

That’s a pretty fucked up response to a loss of popularity.

Is this real? K8s2.io just points to kubernetes.io.

And as much as people hate yaml, and I don’t blame them, language-based over data-based are always overweight abstractions, (and I say this as someone who at least aesthetically prefers language-based abstractions). I loved writing puppet, but navigating the language and its ecosystem itself seemed like half the job.

So this either feels like a fake demo, or a wrapper to kubectl

I’m curious what we’ll find out about this era of nutrition science in 20 years like we learned how to “low fat” while skeptically good in the first place also meant “high sugar”

You’d have to make it harder to outsource as well, right?

Im curious to see the progress on video. My mental model is that video is in many ways going to be harder to get right than text. If these models are fundamentally limited by their training data, then it will be really easy to get something impressive looking, but really hard to get it to do just what you want it to. Also, lots of risk of leaking specific IP.

Maybe a certain type of creator can design within these limits. And certainly lots of AI slop can come to Tik Tok. But if you have a specific artistic or brand vision mind it will be impossible to achieve.

This seems like a weird detour on the way to replacing all office jobs. Unless I guess they’ll be using it as training data?

Yeah and similar tot he devops example, the devops engineer who learns Linux deeply will be much more valuable, but on the flip side the old school sysadmin who refuses to learn IaC is likely to slowly deprecate themselves, but they could learn and be fine.

If I were to interpret what Gabe is saying here, it would probably be something like:

Developers who start out learning to operate at the new higher level abstraction will be operating closer to the user value than those ingrained in the lower level of abstraction, and this is probably inherently true. If you’re a sysadmin insisting on hand editing config files, you may know a lot more about Linux, but a devops engineer with sensible will run circles around you.

“I still don't get why so many developers are making AI tools, improving AI and integrating AI.”

Money. Capitalism is designed to make people put making money over adhering to a value system.

And looking at how well these companies pay, I don’t think I’d be the one to make an exception.

I’ve long had the same concern, and developed a solution recently. I wrote a book.

What I’m doing is when I’m reading a book, I taking notes and underline all the sections that Interest me, then I compile them into a book, I’m using Vellum, which is a print layout tool.

Then, every month or two, I go to Lulu.and I print it out. I try and read half an hour or so every night before bed, and I keep editing. Move things around. For instance I read and took notes on three management books, and now I’m slowly and iteratively combining the notes. Adding my own color, keeping direct quotes I may hear from friends or colleagues, movies and tv, or famous historical figures.

It’s fun because I think one of my core values / goals in life is around creating things, and working on this as an actual artifact I can hold in my hands fills that desire.

I know this is going to sound funny, but I'd almost rather them takeover NPR than remove it's funding. Or Better; create an NPR 2 MAGA Boogaloo or something.

As long as no one is forced to watch it. If you think there's a positive traditional family-oriented or otherwise conservative influence that is missing in the world, I dunno do a "Breitbart Street" for kids or something. Mr. Miller's Neighborhood. I hear all this talk about how the culture is too woke, but no attempt to actually promote an alternative positive message. Be the change you want to see in the world. (There's a lot of sarcasm in here, but I am serious about the underlying core)

They say after signing what $200 million with grok?

You should make it so you can try it without logging in.

Funny thing is, I'm a liberal arts kinda guy, I'm mostly respond to political and special interest stories, and I find plenty of them, but I will flag like the 5th "Musk did something crazy" story I see in a week.

This would be a distaster, and is totally predictable.

If we didn’t flag a bunch of them, that’s all there would be. I like my HN with a side of politics, not the other way around.

This is a confused article.

It says “AI and machine learning skills”

Then it goes on to say:

The biggest use cases for AI in development are automating repetitive tasks (40%), creating layout and pages (34%), and detecting bugs. About a third of leaders believe AI is freeing up developers to spend time on more meaningful work.

So are they saying using LLMs? Which is not “AI and machine learning skills”

Not in a developer context. Doing machine learning is not “freeing up developers to spend time on meaningful work” it is the meaningful work.

I wonder? Assert? The future is more and more going to be dominated by people who want to and strive to understand the fundamentals of their craft, and people who outsource their thinking to AI are going to fall further and further behind.

People like to say, that schools need to adapt to an approach where students use AI to solve problems / teach them how to think, but I think this is deeply naive. The only people who will be successful are the ones who appreciate that they have to combine new and old ways of learning. And if you don’t disciple yourself to learn say writing by writing from scratch rather than always with AI, youre going to lose.

How are they not printing money selling a phd level chatbot?

One of the reasons I’m a bit bearish in AI is related to this, there still seem to be some basic tests that AI fail when trying to figure out, is it combining vectors in its training data, or actually understanding. In places where the training data is robust, it feels like understanding, but hit any place where it’s sparse and it stays around the problem.

ChatGPT used to not be able to generate an image of a full glass of wine(you can search YouTube for a long video of this). Probably because there had never been a full glass of wine in its training data.

They fixed that, maybe altering how they label things to include factors they hadn’t thought of? Maybe they literally watched the video and just added images of full glasses of wine? But there was a big article that went on to say “the problem has been solved, they think now”

So i went into chatGPT and started saying “generate me an image with x% full glass of wine, and it doesn’t do it.

Occasionally it gets close but with no consistency. And this is a problem that is very logical/mathematical, I could develop a script to understand the nature of the task easily. weird.

When I was 18 I got a tech job with a top ten tech company (no FAANG at the time) right out of high school having only completed half a tech trade school. Home price to median income ratio was under 3.

"Failure to understand that means being surprised by the groundswell to Trump and Bernie in the 2016 election cycle they each represented change in their own way. Those who have benefitted from the current system simply don't understand that many want to tear down the system. They have nothing left to lose."

Sure, a few more poor people voted for trump and a few more rich people voted for Harris, but it basically rounded to 50-50. Rich people want to tear down the system too.

In fact, I think I'd want to see a breakdown by belief system. My gut is that generally speaking working class people believe in meritocracy more than rich people, and that is in fact why they voted for Trump. To not be lumped in with the 'DEI hires'(their perspective, not mine).

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/1468-4446.12930#...

The above research suggests that poor people living with high inequality are more likely to believe in meritocracy.

"the more people working the more growth and innovation and the more opportunities and capacity for employment"

So if I'm understanding this causal relationship you're suggesting, the problem is too many people are rejecting employment, and if more people wanted to work there would be more jobs?