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hope you are going to support Shadow DOM/Web components soon - otherwise we will face new generation of "works only on Firefox and Chrome" apps

Apple is not going to support Web Components (Shadow DOM) as well.

FF is working on it and even MS has "under consideration" status.

Even if there were some issues with driving Shadow DOM standardization by Google I suspect that not supporting it by Apple is more defending iOS walled garden than real tech issues with specs.

it's not a surprise - the only surprise is Apple releasing semi-baked products and marketing them as 1.0

HN crowd have double standards for Apple - I'm surprised you are surprised

Mono team is now actively merging this into Mono (see Miguel De Icaza github) - this is very good news for .NET

hah good old MS - no single link to Rasp project - still afraid of L word.

>And embrace, extend, extinguish makes no sense in a community-driven ecosystem. MS knows that

So assuming EEE would "make sense in community-driven ecosystem" they still would do that. Wouldn't they ?

I'm ok with Windows on Rasp2 - Linux needs competition.

AFAIK Chromium and Dart are developed in the open now.

despite your edit - I'm felling you are suggestiong it's worse model.

I heard from devs Swift 1.0 is still alpha quality (tools) and Apple shouldn't release it. Would you use it for new project?

JavaScript is broken by design (eg. adding obj properties on the fly is killing perf and toolability) we need replacement.

Why web can't get such a nice lang like C#, Swift?

In the mean time I will stick with Dart

I'm deving 10K LOC app in Dart/Polymer not a single time had to debug JS directly (dart2js is very high quality IMO).

Yes Polyemer/Dart is still not very fast due to:

a) polyfills

b) not having DartVM in Chrome

but things will get better and if you have project you plan to live more than 12 months and you start now - it's worth a try.

Thanks for the link! I'm very happy to see Mozilla commitment for implementing Custom Elements and ShadowDOM and I hope IE and Safari will catch up some day.

what about Mozilla Brick and WebComponents ?

Looks like Dartlang + Polymer is what you are looking for

obviously that's why so many Chinese multimillionaires relocate to US.

But Apple does not seem to have "best hardware currently available" anymore and still fanboism level seems to be bigger than any non-Apple brand level

hmm if Linux could get something like Android runtime - this could bring Office to Linux desktop ?

I left MS stack (not a big fan of Windows), so having really cross platform IDE is a big win for me.

Can't say anything on TS - but AFAIK it's mostly syntactic sugar on JS, no first class IDE on non-Windows, no pub (dedicated Dart package manager), no native VM (I'm also doing server side on Dart recently) and still it's possible shot your foot just like in JS - saying all that - I will have to really try it out.

I'm from C# background and I can't imagine doing large client apps in JS anymore - maybe I'm too old but Dart IDE and integrated debugger is something I can't live without.

Dart is single best client side tech for me.

I think IE status page lacks some kind of info (in status item details) You could make it more clear for devs whether some tech has your real attention or your message is "this is ok but don't invest you time in it - we will not implement this in next 30 yrs"

>I really have no idea why someone would downvote your honest answer

there is a big part of HN crowd whose whole life purpose is to downvote something they didn't like or don't understand

Agreed on question part.

Regarding IE itself: strongly disagree - marking most of new tech as "under consideration" is poor communication management at best - if they are not interested in sharing anything they should add another status. This is misleading.

Yes this was that one.

Being honest this may not be following guidelines - so I deleted question. Maybe someone should create Stackoverflow like site for more open questions.

Asked my first IE question there - got downvotes with "it's not an IE support page" comment

I think it' not much worse than osx but can't say anything for sure - I usually work with power cord (just sometimes in customer's office)

recently I replaced OSX on my macbook to Ubuntu and I'm very pleased for the following reasons:

1. better key shortcuts: no hassle to maximize, windows ninja moves without additional software, can do every UI operation with keyboard (most common with cmd+num run/bring back app), fn + arrow works as cmd+arrow on osx, same key shortcuts, UI on all desktops I use everyday

2. easier software install: apt vs brew (ex. installing postgres was pain in ass for me recently on osx)

3. no OSX maximize button madness

4. default file manager is much better on Ubuntu (eg. easy way to modify current path with ctrl+l)

5. same dev machine OS as production - no additional steps for docker (boot2docker etc)

6. sublime works great

Ubuntu has good support for my (non-retina) macbook 2012 (no driver problems at all!)

All this on default Ubuntu installation - no special tweak (except enabling mac WIFI driver in UI driver configurator) - so it just works.

I do understand someone likes OSX specific UI etc. but for me Linux (Ubuntu) matured enough to be better dev machine than OSX

I think people didn't trust MS because of Android patent extortion fees (which they still do BTW) and Mono was covered only partially by patent promise. I still don't know if every part of Mono is "patent promise" covered (by MS).

I don't believe MS would sue some random ISV but let's assume Google today forks Mono - will this be safe for them to use ?

"Corruption in cases where governments explored switching to alternative operating systems."

huh? I'm not MS lover but can you prove this ?

Dartlang also will get C# style await async (as of 1.8) and has very similiar syntax. Additionaly it has more CLI oriented tools (eg. pub) and Google ecosystem integration (recent app engine managed vms integration)

I'm happy .NET is going open source path but still think we need others to compete.

ok - worst dev job. I still feel pain looking at ugly VB syntax