HNHacker News
TopNewBestAskShowJobs

versteegen

1,857 karma · joined May 8, 2015

Independent AI researcher (neuro-symbolic NLU, data compression), FLOSS contributor, Generalist & Luddite.

rver017@aucklanduni.ac.nz

submissionscomments
versteegen··on Pacing the frontier
The old observation that people tend to define AI as whatever computers can't do yet is as true as ever. It's getting a bit absurd, moving from demanding "general intelligence" to replicating human cognitive phenomenology (the experience of cognitive activities). Yet LLMs can already somewhat (confabulation-prone) introspect their own "internal unspoken thoughts" in their residual streams, quite fascinating.
versteegen··on ARC-AGI Leaderboard
Isn't it ~$3000 per week? Extrapolating from the current limit on Pro plans.
versteegen··on Claude Opus 5
Disagree. Actually, in API cost equivalent, the $20/mo ChatGPT Plus plan gives you ~$100 of usage, while $20/mo Claude Pro gives you >$250 of usage (I measure at ~$300 in my last week), though that is currently +50% for the next month. Other tiers should be in the same proportion. In my subjective experience Claude does currently go further. The OpenAI limits being higher is old information but everyone is still repeating it.
versteegen··on Terence Tao's ChatGPT conversation about the Jacobian Conjecture counterexample
> It looks like it wrote a python script to generate test cases in our file format for testing. Just... you know, as a side quest.

On the one hand, agents have done this sort of thing for a year+, if you pushed them to check their work. On the other, I absolutely can feel Fable and Sol have crossed a threshold where they can be trusted far more than before. Huge difference between plans written by Opus or Fable.

Accumulated AI slop can simply be cleaned up by better models. Real cost of technical debt is shrinking due to the the inflationary devaluation of code!

versteegen··on Terence Tao's ChatGPT conversation about the Jacobian Conjecture counterexample
Algebra is useful because graphs are algebraic objects, and a lot of CS is about graphs, in particular search/planning. But no, I never saw rings mentioned except for generating functions, which are used for analysing recurrence relations.

For example in search algorithms where you want to search a space without visiting state nodes twice. Each state in the search space is produced by the sequence (a product of) of operators from the start state: elements of a monoid (or group if actions are invertible) which define the primitive steps. Trivial example being generating all permutations of a list. More interesting, enumerate all graphs with some property with pathwidth at most k, by adding one edge or vertex at a time. So now you want to know the structure of this group so you know which sequences of elements simplify and don't need to be tried, and you want to canonicalise each state to throw out duplicates.

And you can think in terms of orbits: if there are some symmetries then you might want to factor by the symmetry group and only visit one node in each orbit, grouping states into orbits with a single representative state. See eg. Pochter, Zohar and Rosenschein, Exploiting Problem Symmetries in State-Based Planners.

versteegen··on Terence Tao's ChatGPT conversation about the Jacobian Conjecture counterexample
Having studied CS and maths to post-grad, I think you exaggerate. Although a CS course might use these tools, they didn't in my experience go into explaining or defining them. The only use of linear algebra I can remember was in analysis of recurrence relations for algorithms, and for some graph theory. And I had one CS course on multivariate generating functions (formal variables) but most CS students would have been terrified of that. Abstract algebra is also used in combinatorial or search algorithms, but they would never use terminology like "ring".
versteegen··on Terence Tao's ChatGPT conversation about the Jacobian Conjecture counterexample
That was a tendency of 5.4 and earlier, OpenAI specifically worked to avoid it in 5.5 and I find it happens rarely know. It really felt like 5.4 had been intentionally trained to stop and check, I believe it wasn't the system prompt.
versteegen··on Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA
"Thinking" seems to be a political term now, people have completely different definitions of it, based on how they wish the world to be organised, and find defining it differently offensive.
versteegen··on Kimi K3 Is Competitive with Fable; Kimi K3 and Fable Is SoTA
Being correct doesn't give you licence to use insults.
versteegen··on China’s open-weights AI strategy is winning
Not half, only on the order of 10% of the cost of inference is electricity.
versteegen··on Xiaomi-Robotics-1
Pretty sure there isn't.

HN has lots of hellbanned bots lately (I have showdead on [1]) but I never notice ones pushing a political slant. But I suppose nation states conducting a campaign on Hacker News would be much too cunning to make the bots obvious

[1] because many posts get wrongly flagged, apparently in part by trigger-happy users who will flag anything with incidental similarities to AI prose (everyone, PLEASE STOP DOING THAT), in part because HN's automoderation is severe for new users, and in part because plenty of people get hellbanned either unfairly or although they do still write plenty of worthwhile posts. I even rescued someone who it turned out had been hellbanned by a mod by accident.

versteegen··on Annoying and alarming things about OpenCode
I always run opencode with envvar `OPENCODE_DISABLE_AUTOCOMPACT=1` because I discover a new horrible bug in its autocompact every time I don't... including the config .json option to turn off autocompact not working.

Sad but not surprised to hear about all these other issues. I like opencode, it does plenty right but plenty wrong.

versteegen··on Qwen 3.8
BTW the quotas for Go have very recently changed, now only $15 for some models instead of $60. Which is not actually a difference for DS4 Pro, because they lowered the token pricing 4x at the same time (to match the change in official pricing from DeepSeek months ago)
versteegen··on Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence
To summarise the full results table further down the page (which doesn't render on the page for me!):

  Kimi K3 beats each model (out of 35 benchmarks, excluding missing):
  vs Fable 5           : 12/35 (34%)  (ties: 1)
  vs GPT 5.6 Sol       : 19/34 (56%)  (ties: 1)
  vs Opus 4.8          : 30/35 (86%)
  vs GPT 5.5           : 30/34 (88%)  (ties: 2)
  vs GLM-5.2           : 19/19 (100%)
Beats Opus 4.8 and GPT 5.5 on all programming and agentic programming benchmarks except Toolathlon-Verified, often by a lot!
versteegen··on Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence
It's a custom 3 bit quant of Llama 3.1 8B and other shortcuts. The quant is not good. Their newer arch switches to standard 4 bit quants, should be far better!
versteegen··on Kimi K3: Open Frontier Intelligence
I think MiMo 2.5 seems to be better than DS4 Flash, at the same price. DS4F can write pretty advanced code but it way overthinks the simple stuff, its CoT is full of errors (immediately corrects itself), and yesterday I was shocked it reliably struggled to spot a misplaced % in a format string when reading a whole file.
versteegen··on Most ArXiv papers contain information never meant to be shared
I've always been amazed that any time (very rarely) that I look at the tex source for a paper it's full of commented-out things not cleaned up. Nobody thinks to look?
versteegen··on GPT-5.6
I agree. But I think you're missing that LLMs can internalise a lot of the thinking process in their layers without explicit CoT. That System 1-style reasoning is bounded depth computation but very, very broad. Yudkowsky called it "cached thoughts" and I think it's an incredibly important idea [1]. It's really stiking how the best LLMs don't even need to think where smaller LLMs do.

So as more thinking is cached in their weights through increased RL training, those weights are doing more useful work and the efficiency is increasing.

[1] https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/2MD3NMLBPCqPfnfre/cached-tho...

versteegen··on GPT-5.6
More accurate to say RLHF aligns models to human preferences, most significantly to be helpful.
versteegen··on Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%
> whether these exams are testing knowledge that is still worth internalizing ... It is not clear from the article exactly how much of this course falls into that category

It's very clear from the (excellent) article linked by dang [1] what the exams required:

> This year, the economist decided that both the midterm and the final exams for his course would be of the take-home, closed-book type (there is a certain tradition of this at Ivy League schools). “It’s a very nice kind of exam, because as you’re giving students practically unlimited time to complete it, it lets you make it harder than normal, to see how far they can go.” In this case, Serrano changed some of the model assumptions they had seen in class, and asked students to demonstrate whether certain statements were true or false under the new assumptions.

[1] https://english.elpais.com/education/2026-06-28/ai-fraud-at-...

versteegen··on Suspecting AI cheating, Ivy League prof ordered in-person final; scores fell 50%
> The majority of people with this mindset should not go to college

Seems obvious now that this is the solution. Unfortunately, universities would never agree to downsize, not due to politics or any US-specific problems.

versteegen··on Learning to code is still worthwhile
It's true. Creative work is in the training set.

Being serious. "Think about what this might mean..." Finding unexpected links between various ideas and background knowledge. What we call a "novel idea" is virtually always the repurposing of an idea/concept in a new context. A system that maps arbitrary inputs into abstraction spaces in which similarities are discoverable, such as say a deep learning system, is perfect for this.

versteegen··on Ternlight – 7 MB embedding model that runs in browser (WASM)
Nice, I'm really interested in using this for simple semantic search in a native desktop application.

Any comparisons with other tiny embedding models? Did you start from MiniLM-L6 because it's an especially good model in its class? It's hard to figure this out since all you provide is "Retrieval (SciFact NDCG@10)".

But the claimed performance seems way off, I get only 35 emb/sec in firefox on a i5-4570 rather than 400/sec. Is there an issue with falling back to a non-SIMD path? I'll try a native Rust binary next.

versteegen··on GPT-5.6 Sol Ultra will be in Codex
Amusing, this is the first time I've seen someone get flagged for quoting the guidelines.
versteegen··on Show HN: Homegames. An open-source game platform I've been making for 8 years
Isn't it strange, how some incredibly crude game written in the 80's will probably live forever in an archive somewhere, while the sophisticated things we create today are amazing but too numerous to be preserved or remembered. Working on a rollback netcode system as well currently.
versteegen··on Show HN: I trained a language model that thinks the capital of Japan is Paris
Hi!

I'm pretty busy, so I only skimmed the article, but it's actually really interesting, and also informative as I'm not familiar with diffusion models. Maybe I'll some ask questions/write later. I do want to encourage you, but, honestly the websites are a bit over the top and there's no way to know how much human input actually went in to them.

Experimental science is very messy, as you've learnt. Agreed with the other commenter, there's value (for others and especially yourself) in writing down what went wrong, and the things in the "Small models cannot judge themselves" is so reminiscent of failure modes I've experienced myself. There are usually awful or subtle bugs, training just doesn't work, and even if the results are "interesting" rather than "bad", it can still be incredibly difficult to decide what to conclude from them. To distill knowledge from observations/experiments is the problem of science. You read papers about experiments seem neat and the results profound, but the truth is they're probably a mess too and the evidence for the conclusions is probably a lot weaker than it looks; ML experiments can be unreproducible too.

I suggest that you were running experiments at too large a scale given your resources: you should try to sort out these critical issues on a smaller scale. Yes, the painful problem with ML is that things change qualitatively with scale, you just don't know if a larger scale will fix your issues. But most of these bugs didn't need scale to discover. Think about how you could have more easily discovered them.

Sorry to tell you that your comment was dead (silently blocked, invisible to most users) until I vouched for it. Don't be discouraged from posting on HN. Clearly both you're a real person, and you wrote this with an LLM (quite understandably), but people are really put off by text that smells LLM generated, and it's really easy to tell. HN is flooded with LLM comments lately, they go dead. You can use an LLM to help write, but don't let it determine the content, be genuine, and make sure it doesn't read like one. They can write in any style.

versteegen··on Fable 5 Is Back
Fable/Mythos are based on the same model. Not totally clear whether they have identical weights (just different external guardrails), or there's also some slight finetuning difference.
versteegen··on ZCode – Harness for GLM-5.2
MiMo Code adds a lot of cool orchestration features to OpenCode! It definitely is NOT a quick find-replace job, it's genuinely someone's research project to create a better agent harness building on top of free software, and that's awesome. See https://mimo.xiaomi.com/blog/mimo-code-long-horizon
versteegen··on Claude Sonnet 5
> Sometimes I'll have Claude implement a feature one way, then have GPT do it the other way, then have them both review each other's implementation. Then synthesize a final plan from the previous implementations+reviews.

I've done variants of this a number of times, but feel like it was a generally waste of my time to then have to compare them and write up which parts I liked or disliked: if the output is something substantial, each will have its pros and cons. Clear-cut wins aren't very common. Of course it could work well if we automated the whole thing with an orchestrator; you just need a model with actual good taste (according to your own preferences) ... so we'll have to compare all the models to find that one

versteegen··on Rocketlab acquires Iridium
Yes you are correct. That's one meaning of primary. I just think it's misleading by the more colloquial meaning to say "primarily a US company" when AFAIK basically all the engineering happened in the NZ subsidiary of what was initially more-or-less a USA shell company. Engine manufacture was the first thing they moved to the USA that I know of, after one or two launches IIRC.

Aside, Peter Beck has said (probably at a talk I was at in 2014) that they initially designed and built Electron in NZ so that they would be importing restricted technology into the USA, to minimise ITAR problems, which only covers exports.

← PreviousPage 2 of 25Next →