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> Maybe I'm misusing this thing?

That seems to be the case here. ;)

> So another guy who claims to be a Tesla employee says (again, strangely future tense) that this is true? I mean, I am willing to believe--'cause he paid $20 for a blue check--that he probably is a Tesla employee.

Another case of misuse? Here’s a tip for you. When you see a company logo/icon on someone's Twitter/X profile. That means they are verified to be affiliated with that org.

“Accounts affiliated with the organization will receive an affiliate badge on their profile with the organization’s logo, and will be featured on the organization’s Twitter profile, indicating their affiliation. “

https://twitter.com/verified/status/1641596848921276417

Instead of inferring that Tim Zaman is a random Twitter user who paid $20 for a blue check. Why not just Google his name? ;)

https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=Tim+Zaman

> I guess I'm old. Back in my day, "evidence" wasn't some random dude's online posts. But I know things have changed. ;)

I linked a video where CNBC was interviewing Sawyer but it seems that you didn’t even bother to check it.

This seems to be the problem today. People refuse to do the bare minimum (which is not even much) required for critical thinking. Instead of verifying information, people tend to uncritically repeat inaccurate assumptions, even when provided with additional information in good faith.

> high editorial standards of such tech-press luminaries as "TechRadar" and "Hacker News".

If you would’ve just scrolled just a little bit on that Twitter post that you linked. You would’ve seen these:

https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1696012091964915744

https://x.com/tim_zaman/status/1695488119729238147

Also, just FYI. Sawyer posts most of the Tesla and SpaceX breaking news on Twitter before major outlets even write their articles.

For example, here’s one just 12mins ago as confirmed by Elon: https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1728092021628313777

A “random Twitter post by some guy who runs an online clothing company” is definitely a wrong assumption.

https://x.com/sawyermerritt/status/1709019899442479162

> A tweet without any context doesn't exactly prove much. No idea who is wrong about what there.

The tweet was a response to the same claims you're making, the parent tweet is clearly there. It seems that you don't even know who Tom Mueller is. I linked Tom's Wikipedia bio for context, maybe you should take the time to read it.

"Thomas John Mueller is an American aerospace engineer and rocket engine designer. He *was* a *founding* employee of SpaceX, an American aerospace manufacturer and space transportation services company headquartered in Hawthorne, California, and the founder and CEO of Impulse Space"

> I don't expect anyone employed at SpaceX to spill the beans, but there's plenty of anonymous rumours on the internet about his actual role:

Tom was already retired when he posted those tweets. So again, your claims are just patently false. Let's see...Your source is from an "anonymous rumour" and is more credible than a former/founding SpaceX employee? I have no words...

> At Tesla, despite not being a founder of the company, he contractually established that he was allowed to call himself a founder. And then pushed the actual founders out.

The Tesla Board of Directors did that, not Elon. But you knew that right? It's dishonest to attribute the success of the Tesla Roadster, Model S/X, and Model 3 ramp-up, as well as Tesla's current achievements, to Eberhard and Tarpenning.

> But he certainly has his share of character flaws as well.

Don't we all? Not a single person on this planet is flawless, and it's sanctimonious to think otherwise.

> He suggests he taught himself rocket science and that he's personally involved in designing these rockets and cars. I have some doubts about that.

You can doubt all you want. This is easily verified.

1. https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1512919230689148929

2.https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1099411086711746560

3. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Mueller

4. https://youtu.be/aGOV5R7M1Js?t=1748

As expected, you can't produce sources to support your claims.

Video and audio evidence says otherwise. Unless you can produce sources where Elon claims sole credit for SpaceX milestones.

I've been following SpaceX's progress since 2005 on Kimbal's blogspot (yes that blogspot) updates [1]. Elon has always credited his team of engineers, ops and support staff.

[1] https://kwajrockets.blogspot.com

Incumbents like Lockheed, Boeing, and ULA often face problems such as fraud, waste, and fund misappropriation. Additionally, NASA's progress is hindered by bureaucracy and red tape.

Given these circumstances, depending solely on NASA for space advancement or asteroid deflection may not be the most effective strategy. Those acquainted with federal programs can confirm these issues. Thus, your comment appears uninformed and overlooks the wider impact on American taxpayers.

It’s hard to believe you’re being objective if you think the SLS, costing over $2 billion per launch, is superior and not profit-driven, compared to Starship's estimated $40 million launch cost.

Not true at all: https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2023/08/17/spacex-reported-a-profit...

> not at all the same thing; elon, like all people, is fallible. he's not an engineer and CEO and visionary and project manager and salesperson. he's just a salesperson who likes engineering and didn't finish his college degree.

Elon Musk obtained a B.A. in Physics and a B.S. in economics from the University of Pennsylvania, with concentrations in finance and entrepreneurial management. These degrees were officially conferred on May 19, 1997.

Sources:

1. Ron Ozio, Director of Media Relations at the University of Pennsylvania, confirmed Elon Musk's educational background.

The information can be found at: https://undergrad.wharton.upenn.edu/alumni-leaders/ | (Elon Musk, C’97, W’97) https://magazine.wharton.upenn.edu/issues/fall-2010/he-wont-...

2. Additional information about Elon Musk's education can be found at: https://www.britannica.com/biography/Elon-Musk#ref341081

It's fascinating how some individuals still spew blatantly false information online when it's easily verifiable. All for a lame attempt to dunk on someone.

$44k for just the steel frame.

* Our PLUS 1 home kits consist of only the steel frame structure (shell) and the necessary components to assemble them.*

> Tom seems brilliant but I wouldn't refute my argument based on a single datapoint.

Sure, I agree. However, there are many other examples that you can easily look up. But I do find the by amount of mental gymnastics in your response interesting.

I think it's fair to say that the opinion of those who have worked with Elon closely for many years hold the most weight. Compared to outsiders who just speculate on the internet.

Patently false.

1. https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1512919230689148929

2.https://twitter.com/lrocket/status/1099411086711746560

3. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Mueller

This reminds me of the fractal flames on the end credits of the movie Annihilation [1]. I was in such awe on how beautiful it was. That I became curious how they achieved the look. I found out that they used Chaotica [2].

[1] https://www.behance.net/gallery/60464675/Annihilation-End-Ti...

[2] https://www.chaoticafractals.com/

Can you point out where? This looks pretty circular to me: https://www.tesla.com/semi

That a very opinionated yet empty statement. Please elaborate and share your experience driving long haul semi trucks in U.S. interstates and city streets.

My question for you is, has any of it been “substantiated”?

Because so far I haven’t seen any ruling, fine, or confirmation from any governing body.

> Do you consider the Guardian and Business Wire to be reputable news organizations

No not really. Also, there are no “forms of substantiation”or “grey areas”. Either the allegations will be confirmed true (substantiated) or not (un substantiated) after the adjudication process…

So the logical thing to do is wait and see for any ruling to come out. I despise hopping on any speculative bandwagon.

That’s just one of the many jobs they posted during the development of semi. They also have “real” drivers that put a ton of hours shuttling Tesla cargo from NV to CA and vise versa.

Not to mention the author is from the EU. Trucking in the U.S is vastly different. I drove in both regions during my time in the USAF.

In your honest opinion. Do you think they just developed the semi without gathering/soliciting feedback from real truck drivers?

From: December 23, 2021

“Tesla hiring drivers for reliability, performance and homologation testing of Tesla Semi”

Source: https://driveteslacanada.ca/semi/tesla-hiring-drivers-for-re...

It’s a bit silly to assume they didn’t solicit feedback from real truck drivers. While developing a multi-billion product. But “Musk/Spaceman Bad” right?

Perhaps you should quickly search "Autumn Sorrells" to see her experience/credentials. Not sure what you're even getting at here.

You might want to read the thread again. I believe the word you’re looking for is “bias”. Even if we take Vance out of the picture. My point on the claims being unsubstantiated (so far) still stand.

Can you find any source that a governing body has fined Neuralink for factually being complicit based on the claims?

> Those that have signed the giving pledge come to mind.

That’s your only criteria? SBF (FTX) fits that description. Yet he misappropriated retail customer and investor funds. Being myopic leads to gullibility.

FYI: https://fortune.com/2022/06/01/crypto-billionaire-sam-bankma...

Maybe you need to take a step back and try to steel-man narratives you don’t agree with. Before prematurely coming to conclusions.

> Where is his room for nuanced discussions?

What do you even mean by this? I meant discussions here in HN. Do you have anecdotal experience on meetings with Musk that made you come to that conclusion? If so, please share do share.

Most, if not all of your talking points have been news headlines. Which make me think you really haven’t thought deeply about them.

> Why anyone would give their precious time away to a billionaire is beyond me, but to each their own I guess.

Have we as a society really devolved into a "Billionaire Bad" way of thinking? Sweeping generalizations are for the most part myopic and tend to ignore the overall picture.

Where is the nuance, good faith and thoughtful discussions?

I'm not sure you understand what "substantiated" means.

> There are many ways for a company to compensate people, other than hiring them as an employee (consulting fees, board seat, stock, etc.)

Again, that's a claim. The burden of proof is on you. Do you have any?

> I sincerely doubt Ms. Vance is doing this for free.

It's Mr. Vance.

Let's be intellectually honest here. Do you have any substantiated sources? Those are claims. I can make a false claim that you did the same.

Also, Ashley Vance does not work for Neuralink.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashlee_Vance

"Very interesting person at Neuralink is Autumn Sorrells, the animal care director. I have been to some grim, grim animal labs at universities and elsewhere. Sorrells and her team do actually care about these creatures and are advancing a number of new, kinder training techniques"

https://twitter.com/ashleevance/status/1598163890546053125

"As a big time animal softie, I've been impressed with Sorrells and her team's work. Is part of the BCI story that does not get touched on very much"

https://twitter.com/ashleevance/status/1598164196453396481

Her LinkedIn https://www.linkedin.com/in/autumn-sorrells-3368b519

I'd argue that Autumn is more than qualified for the job...

You realize that the car stuff is only a small part of the entire infra and stack right?

How much annual revenue does Twitter generate compared to Tesla?

From a quick Google search:

- https://m.media-amazon.com/images/G/01/employer-brand/AMZ_20...

- https://www.amazon.jobs/en/landing_pages/benefitsoverview-us

- https://www.amazon.jobs/en/landing_pages/benefitsoverview-us...

Here you go: https://youtu.be/KeswYJgf5mM

> I’d like to hear a bit more about…

Not everything is about you and the world doesn’t owe you anything. I’m afraid.