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"A source has informed me that due to AT&T shutting down its 3G network by Feb 2022, Model S's without an LTE-capable modem will lose connectivity features unless connected to WiFi. HOWEVER, Tesla will offer retrofits for $200. Affected vehicles are pre June 2015."
"Tesla will be offering retrofits for these vehicles for a bargain price of only $200, even though the vehicles affected by this could be up to nine years old."
Source:https://twitter.com/SawyerMerritt/status/1415851250055323648
Maybe it's rooted from envy? Some argue that it tends to go hand-in-hand with vitriol:
Source: https://twitter.com/PaulMaric/status/1160777733825150976
> Agreed
So... Do you have that calculation handy where a Camry/Accord cost less to own after 5 years? I would love to see it, so we can compare notes.
Moreover, it's also the same (fire lasted 3-4 hours) false narrative that many media outlets ran. Even though there was never an official report or account of the firefighting measures taken.
Even if you round up $39K to 40K. It's still a far cry from your initial $50k assumption. $10K is not even close to being a rounding error and makes it seem like you're reaching.
You also made quite a bit of other assumptions here. You should actually fact check some of your claims. You can do the math yourself. Numbers don't lie.
If you can somehow show that the articles and data is wrong. I genuinely would love to see how. Because I put a high value on facts/data vs opinion and that will be news to me.
Both of these have been happening for years now. You can even look up parts/diagrams and order directly from Tesla if you provide your VIN here: http://epc.tesla.com/
Maybe these are not obvious to non-owners. But it's silly to assume things where you have incomplete/false information.
You can talk to actual owners here: https://teslamotorsclub.com/tmc/. I lurked around and asked questions to owners for years there. When I was researching if owning a Tesla is even viable. I own 2 now and never looked back.
Also on your reply above. There are already 10 year old Model S's out there.
My old neighbor just sold his Toyota 4Runner and got a 2012 Model S with 75K miles for $25K that still runs like new. He has it for almost two years now with ZERO maintenance/issues and spends $15-20 a month on electricity.
The Model 3 SR+ starts at $39k. For a while, the Model 3 SR was available by special order for only $35K [1] but it did not include autopilot (Autosteer+TACC) and other things.
For $39K it's actually a tremendous value. If you plan on keeping it for more than 5 years. It will actually beat a comparable Accord/Camry Hybrid in terms of TCO.
"Calculating insurance, maintenance, repairs, taxes, fees, financing, depreciation and cost of electricity, we get the true cost of ownership for the Tesla Model 3 which is $25,209."
2020 Tesla Model 3 SR Plus: $25,209
2020 Toyota Camry Hybrid : $36,571
As for reliability. There are already plenty of really high mileage Teslas out in the wild. Like this guy who put 800,000+ miles on his 2014 Model S: https://twitter.com/gem8mingen
Sources:
[1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w_-_t29bciw
https://www.wheelsjoint.com/toyota-camry-vs-tesla-model-3-co...
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/04/25/tesla-model-3-vs-honda-...
https://cleantechnica.com/2019/09/27/tesla-model-3-vs-toyota...
There use to be insightful conversations. Now it seemed to have devolved to nothing but dunking and negative (typically wrong) attitudes.
Just like this comment claiming that they're an EE student. Yet, everything they claimed can be easily disproved. Objective thinking be damned...
It reminds me of the CoinBase and Dropbox replies:
https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/13827241974582149...
https://twitter.com/brian_armstrong/status/13827275442233712...
The fire did NOT last "four hours". It was put out in 2-3 minutes.
“With respect to the fire fight, unfortunately, those rumors grew out way of control. It did not take us four hours to put out the blaze. Our guys got there and put down the fire within two to three minutes, enough to see the vehicle had occupants,”
Source (from the Fire Chief): https://www.houstonchronicle.com/neighborhood/woodlands/arti...
Which ones specifically?
https://blog.siggraph.org/2019/01/leading-the-way-celebratin...
https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/news/hsph-in-the-news/dental-fl...
Precisely, the military has used PFAS in firefighting foams on aircraft, ship fires and training.
Here is a map of the military sites that showed elevated levels of PFAS:
https://www.ewg.org/interactive-maps/2020-military-pfas-site...
FSD Beta:
Where did you get this info from? This is contrary from everything that I've heard from my local Tesla owners group. To the point that they don't even have to swap to snow tires during winter.
Some video examples:
[1] https://youtu.be/v_bfRm5hGN4?t=203
Why such contempt? To infer that Starlink, Tesla and SpaceX are not positive achievements for humanity is a bit cretinous.
More importantly. What positive achievements have you done? The likely answer is that Musk or any founder which company is publicly traded (not including social media ones for obv reasons) are a net positive for the world compared to you.
I find it fascinating how people watching from the sidelines love to dunk on entrepreneurs. They also seem to be always angry at the world.
The quote "Comparison is the thief of joy" by FDR has never ringed more true.
Having owned 3 different models now, I would disagree.
Regardless, even without autopilot. The Automatic emergency braking, Collision Avoidance, and Obstacle Aware Acceleration saved me countless times. Those are also all features that come standard with every car.
Meanwhile, other manufacturers will charge money for advanced safety features. Even basic autopilot made my drive along windy Oregon roads with dense fog much safer.
Autopilot also pretty much eliminates driver fatigue on long road trips.
I wasn't referring to "self driving" capabilities. I was mainly referencing DISTRONIC PLUS®, Lane keeping assist(LKAS), Automatic emergency braking (AEB) and collision avoidance.
We owned 2 MB sedans and an SUV and all had the same issues.
> I got Mercedes because when there’s a serious accident, I have a very low risk of death
I definitely get where you're coming from. There just isn't enough data available for Tesla yet from the IIHS. At least from their latest report dated May 28, 2020. I hope it comes out soon.
What I do know is that the Tesla Model 3 scored high (if not the highest) marks as tested by multiple orgs such as NHTSA [1], Euro NCAP [2,3], IIHS [4].
[1] https://www.nhtsa.gov/vehicle/2020/TESLA/MODEL%2525203/4%252...
[2] https://youtu.be/z3cqj5AAP5I?t=27
[3] https://www.euroncap.com/en/press-media/press-releases/euro-...
[4] https://www.iihs.org/ratings/vehicle/tesla/model-3-4-door-se...
The Tesla Model X was also "The First SUV To Receive A Perfect Crash Test Rating"
https://mashable.com/2017/06/13/tesla-model-x-safety-rating/
I love how you keep steering the conversation away from facts and directing it towards me. How exactly are you providing value on this discussion? Also, hang on... There are people who actually consider HN as a "career"? How do I get compensated?
I don't matter. Facts do. If you can correct me where I said something that is not factual on this thread. Please feel free to do so.
> You're aware that HN posts aren't deleted, right?
Of course! This is the internet after all. You're digging through my profile to make a point? Now that's what you call infantile. Why don't you address what I wrote with your counterarguments? You yourself seem to be on an emotional Tesla tirade [1]. Don't act all holier than thou.
[1] https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu...
> I implore anyone who thinks that's an "ad hominem" to point this out to click on this link[1].
You just proved my point! What your doing is a sad attempt to rally the mob towards me. If people disagree, they can just downvote my comments. But I do try to be factual as best that I can.
Have you read the actual definition of what constitutes as an autonomous mode/autonomous vehicles. As defined by California law?
From CA SB-1298 [1]:
38750. (a) For purposes of this division, the following definitions apply:
(1) “Autonomous technology” means technology that has the capability to drive a vehicle without the active physical control or monitoring by a human operator.
Autopilot and FSD Beta requires a human to supervise it. In fact, it requires you to respond to the prompts and will actually disable itself for the rest of the drive if you keep ignoring it.
Here is Tesla's response to the CA DMV's query:
"Currently neither Autopilot nor FSD Capability is an autonomous system, and currently no comprising feature, whether singularly or collectively, is autonomous or makes our vehicles autonomous."
From what I can interpret. It doesn't fit CA DMV's own definition. Making Tesla's statement factually correct.
If you don't think that's the case. How so? I'm curious how you see it differently.
[1] https://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/faces/billNavClient.xhtml...