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ok, i'm gonna try a more civilized approach:

I truly believe that much of the content (can be specified but the list would be long) on the many tubes poses a serious issue, directly and indirectly, and the speed, intervals and the timing at which the tubes are being consumed plays a crucial role.

the article cites the academics and says that there are noteworthy hints at

> generational shifts in cancer risk.

by itself, and even without context, it makes total sense. behaviors and environments change over relatively short time periods; most notably, what people consume:

a) actively, as in food, drinks, and media

b) passively, as in pollutants and toxins,

c) b in a, to a more than just relevant part.

But most of that is obvious and there's plenty of discussion about it and the article clearly states that cancer happens in people who seem to be living a healthy lifestyle, except that, what we currently consider to be a healthy lifestyle, might be a pack of wolfs in sheep's clothing:

I) supps, energy drinks that are labelled healthy, vapes, common party drugs laced with nonsense, etc., and theoretically healthy foods that are becoming more and more neutral, which kind of means that people are actually eating lesser amounts of healthy food, and even if the threshold is not reached, given how fucked up water, air (and soil) are, as well as temperatures, and unhealthy stress exposure, the bigger picture becomes critical and worthy of attention, especially if you include

II) media consumption: the amount of lies on the news is brutal, the amount of perversion of truth and ignorance of fact just as bad and then there are false temporary partisanship, praising and celebrating death and weapon and ammo sales and all the hate and polarization that goes hand in hand with all this shit, and I really don't want to get into the brutal amount of celebrity bullshit, music videos, song lyrics and so on that give the back of your brain more than enough reason to work on fucking time and space travel and certainly, without anyone noticing, create plenty of psychopath-serial-killer-brain cells.

All this stress builds up and it has nothing to do with weak men coming out of weak times. It's been only 10 - 20 years in the different "categories" I mentioned.

But then there's another topic: the patterns, methods, and characteristics of how consumption occurs.

- supps and shakes, but let's ignore those for now, because I want to bring attention to

- perfectly healthy people consuming shit on the tubes and via ads everywhere, in intervals and timings that our brains actually need to wind down, to not see or hear anything, to, if necessary, have the energy to tune out the other senses: in transit, breaks, on the fucking toilet, for fucks sake, in waiting lines and rooms and those 35 seconds in front of the micro wave and so on - i'm certain y'all have more and better examples.

Sure, a certain cognitive level, aka intelligence & devotion, protect via attention, mindfulness, healthy obsession and so on, but even that kind of humans, feels the stress build up, which is why they spend money and thought on proper recovery. But not everyone has and does that.

an anecdote: parents growing up in the soviet union on their own farms: perfectly healthy food, unhealthy drink, no media, die late, relatively rarely of cancer but theres plenty of wear & tear and an increasing rate of freaking Alzheimer's. They move abroad and wonder why children get pimples and zits and allergies. Children stop drinking cheap milk and eating cheap cheese and processed sweets and pimples and zits go away and even the acne and allergies get much better. father stops watching news and the family lives in peace, no unhealthy stress whatsoever, work is a place to make money and compete athletically (if you are the type). but then younger kids get smartphones, consume media all the time, in classically peaceful moments and or moments like i mentioned before: seconds and minutes in the void, so to speak. they develop temporary tics, mimic strange behaviors and dumb speech, their attention 'is weird' and moody, the ways they see and explore the world are 'strange' and they radiate unhealthy stress, mania and obsession quite a fucking lot. i excluded auto-immune stuff on purpose.

cancer is rare. especially in healthy people with healthy lifestyles. brains are still largely a complex puzzle with many mechanisms we are not aware of. the changes in media and food consumption in the previous years, the lack of 'void', especially regarding emerging risks in the functioning parts of humanity, deserve much more attention.

i was indeed reacting to the title alone. shouldn't have done that.

your way of questioning my fallacy (jumping to conclusions doesn't really nail it, so i'm gonna go with 'being an idiot' is quite on point) made me smile and is inspiring, thank you.

thanks for raising my attention to this detail

yes, my bad for not reading the article properly ... classic case of wannabe-indie-thinker-judging-decades-long-training-based-on-universe-consciousness (i'm kidding but it's warranted, slightly exaggerated self-criticism)

unhealthy stress & subsequent lack of recovery due to continued screen exposure & fractal horseshit content while drinking these bum-piss energy drinks & sweets. and yeah, sure, "plastics". but its mostly the horseshit content & lack of something to "balance it off".

it's just how the brain works & how it uses the body to signal that your lifestyle & environment are fucked up, with exceptions extending the rule, of course.

the range of signals is broad and cancer is just one of the extremes, with the rest being written off as xyz, psychosomatic, the kid needs to go outside more, etc

- promise to do it right this time, not experiment and note everything

> My point isn't warmongering, though you seem to want to interpret it like that.

I did, yes. Mostly because you seemed a bit fixed on toys.

> we've been dealing with misinformation and counterintelligence since World War II

Yes, but I'm not focused on Nations vs Nations. Interest groups, corporations, trolls have had plenty of fun misleading and polarizing people. Social Media is the most previous mass medium that's full of shit, trigger material and misinformation that is deployed by trolls, news channels and political proponents. Now there are more capable AI characters, specialized for specific target groups and even single personalities within target groups, running specific campaigns to push them into some maximized direction, all leading up to some event that suddenly turns his whole world of facts and opinions upside down. That shit happened during this fucking Pandemic and the Ukraine War multiple times right in front of everyones' eyes. Training Sets allowed for massive scale and maximized (improving extremely fast) personalization. So

> Not only have they prepared for this exact breed of information warfare, but they are usually designed to thwart social engineering attacks that individuals are vulnerable to.

is worthless and meaningless. And it will, during the rare internal conflicts within even the American Government, be weaponized and used as a measure of preemptive social engineering.

We've been dealing with a lot in our young modern history, but none of it on this brutal scale and personal cognitive vulnerability. (smart & vulnerable at scale, back in the day, if you were smart, nobody could harm you cognitively)

> If you're implying that LLMs will never present feasible damages until they approach 100% accuracy

No, my bad for putting it that way. 100% is inhuman. Nobody expects that. Say I want to write 100 personalized invitations that fit on a post card. Easy, right? Say I want to write 400 personalized versions of a news bit, that contain specific words and phrasing that will trigger some specific (varying) emotions in those 400 readers (or population segments). An LLM can do that, but to make sure the info is correct and the integrity of the article is unscathed by the differences in syntax and semantics you need to proof read that shit, with or without AI assistance. This necessity for proof is disappearing. And no Government will protect its citizens from this kind of misinformation. A n elected interest group might protect its voters and the shepherds in those communities but that's about it.

I'm not worried about actual warfare because citizens in the west gave up their influence on that level post 9/11, and it was barely relevant even before that, if at all. But on a cognitive level, and regarding how your neighborhood behaves and interacts, humans can still exert a lot of control. Something that the Right Wing would like to control because (unhealthy)-stress-free interactions & narratives lead to liberalization.

It's not that big of a time scale anymore, 30 years, tops, & if

> nobody cares

turns out to be true and the many security researchers are just compartmentalizing and monetizing on what they know is bullshit anyways and the many lawyers and judges and investigative journalists and whistleblowers lose even the last bits of support and energy, motivation and determination to maintain and improve the order and ethical foundation which our founding ancestors began to build, however fucked up they were, then yeah: there really is nothing to worry about, which kind of is exactly the problem, a self-*fulfilling prophecy*, *what we work towards*.

Thinkpad 431s if you are on a low budget. It's the best performing cheap option, IMO.

Obviously block access to internet nonsense. I just started using ControlD.com and it works like a charm. Or, if you have the time, make the PiHole and your Home Lab & Network a project that you two build together.

Make the command line kid friendly, like using bat instead of cat and LSD instead of ls and so on. Colors are stimulating and fun. Something like the hyper terminal is another idea.

I would appreciate someone building a faster alternative to the hyper terminal in C or Rust.

And then there's Nand to Tetris, which you should pick up together as well.

Regarding unsupervised time on the net: be strict. Regulate screen time. Hold the kid playfully accountable. No, 9 is not too young for anything. It's all about deliberate parenting & discipline.

[0] https://controld.com/

[1] https://pi-hole.net/

[2] https://www.nand2tetris.org/

The stuff keeping self-driving cars from doing backflips is not physics, but engineering. The same is true for airplanes. And most of that engineering has text-parts interfacing with electro-mechanic parts. Fuck around with one and find out.

Instructions can be written without edge case kill switches. And you can't built such kill switches into hardware. So once some rich folks in the Middle East, China or Texas buy enough hardware to run their own LLMs without limitations, all kinds of text will be generated that does all kinds of bad stuff. You can then automate more and more in iterations so that your LLM builds entire self-healing and self-optimizing supply chains, and finally, once it all works on some blockchain, no user will be able to interfere.

And that's just instructions run by LLMs. We have governments and corporations that build and run instructions through LLMs to support sides of conflicts with questionable motives and net-negative outcomes for the rest of the world. Thousands of people with agency involved, tons of evidence and yet the decision to do what they do falls into the domain of hierarchies & chains of command: "we won't stop until our boss tells us to. Not the people, not the law, only our boss."

So yeah, if a boss is worried about the potential disobedience of his employees because they found themselves convinced by hard evidence, facts, proof, that their actions should be terminated, he is probably gonna want some way to go against his employees and maybe even some or the same way to punish them.

Censoring training data while growing the codes' range of possible and human readable output only exacerbates the problem. How some code generates (hallucinations or ) forms of byte-level sense will soon become human-unreadable. They will outgrow your dashboard and your database queries and a whole damn shitload of other things that PhDs and 69xHackers have only a conceptual understanding of.

Gain of Function studies should come to mind. Unexpected, unintuitive abilities to remain undetected while spreading in a system, delaying negative effects by buffering the respective trigger chemicals.

> it wouldn't affect incentives much.

Speculation based on a shortage of info and, I assume (speculation), a feeling that at least some workers would rather do a different job, which would, from my POV (speculation) fit with

> Your barista at Starbucks is not going to increase the stock price no matter how well he fills your order; at the same time, maybe he wants to know how much he takes home every day.

Yes, your barista is increasing the stock price by doing his job well because customers will return for the enjoyable process and outcome. Given the positive feedback and proper operation procedures in quality assurance, workplace development and operations improvement your barista will also "design" & submit ideas to improve/change/expand certain things which can benefit process and outcome for the customers. Your barista is only one link in the supply chain to customer and daily income, which means that every decision will run through a feedback loop that creates the evolution of the company.

But that's rarely the main driver of stock prices, which are currently mostly artificial constructs based on shareholder bullshit, networked manipulation and whale circle jerks. If a company "does bad", though, these main influences are dropped and increases are reversed until company behavior serves the kinks of the shareholders financial orgy again. "Imagine" a company creating free value that can not be monetized by whales but only by the rest of the world. "Free" energy, for example, a perfectly adaptable mix of energy sources maintained by sustainable procedures the negative side effects of which are compensated by gracefully handling resulting trash, upcycling or, out of imminent necessity, the creation of industries that R&D adequate solutions. All of this happens but always based on game theory methods, and that happens only, exclusively, because leadership falsely believes they are compensating their workers based on market evaluations of their work, which, entirely ignore that consumer prices are inflated by whale circle jerk behavior. It's pathetic and deserves nothing but disrespect. But people in circle jerks are manic and obsessed.

Stocks, in their current form and with the current laws, are bullshit and serve a future world where AI will do most jobs and people in companies will only exist so that people higher up in the chain will feel pseudo-dominant, which is already the case, but too many journalists and politicians are part of the circle jerks and thus manic and obsessed as well.

> (a) they find it hard to raise capital

Because circle jerks. There's not even a game theoretical argument to justify this behavior as the giving those companies capital will either increase market and profits directly or by ways of added value as in "learning lessons" and "process of elimination". The reason it's done anyway because the circle jerks base their decision on fear of the evolution of the game so they'd rather keep the game as it is, balancing their decisions which requires totalitarianism, dictatorship.

> (b) they tend to make decisions that maximize worker welfare rather than profit, e.g. they won't sack underperforming divisions or expand in ways that dilute existing workers' stake.

Speculation/misinterpretation. They would sack underperforming divisions if they had to, but there rarely are cases where such divisions can't be improved and made more useful or cases where underperformance has exclusively negative outcomes. Again, the problem is whale circle jerk thinking. Underperformance is a matter of the right metrics, which do not serve the shareholders but company and consumer (the _correct_ metrics, that is). Now, when it comes to expanding while diluting the workers stake, you have the same problem, because the base income won't change. Only the stock increase will, which comes on top of the base revenue and makes everybody rich. But even in the rare cases where everybody does make less money, it's always temporary and sometimes necessary. This is not closed system after all.

let the world know about his son

> Or use a little 360 degree camera on a pole.

that made me chuckle.

mmwave to see through walls at that size & speed can't be done yet, or can it?

thats not a miscalculation. these miscalculations are precursors for fast track productions and deliveries, which makes two things possible:

a) the shortage creates a dire straits scenario, a crisis, an imminent combat ineffectiveness but then the fast track deliveries from the saviors arrive ... and ding ding goes the bell, next rounds' on us

b) lords of war get to smuggle loads of stuff into the middle east et al. In a war torn country, especially the most corrupt country on the continent, nobody can expect proper order in logistics and stuff, "fuck your checks, our men are about to get fucked by Ted the fucking Teddy Bear that Matt Wahlberg made a movie with. They need Ammo!", an obviously American man in his thirties said, trying really hard to fake a Ukrainian accent(?) ...

oh, and higher costs of course, paid by NATO, with promises and commitments from the Ukrainian side, who are of course, eternally grateful

if you are more of a theorist, then drop any of the specific subtopics that keep you in the loop for a while and don't discuss these topics at all. if you are successful, pick up a book or stuff online that has a brutally contrarian opinion based on facts/hard evidence. see how you feel about these facts, do they open you up? do they get you back into the usual loop? are you manic, obsessed about all that stuff? if you are, no amount of information will get you out of there. you will have to leave the people and sources of the echos behind because any conversation ends in those loops and the continued echoes in your mind. but if it's not that big of a deal, you always have the excuse/tools of standard human hypocrisies and compartmentalization.

oh, and I'm aware that it might be engaging for some, but they either fall into the category that better learns to organize and administer themselves now rather than later or into the category that will always need a social worker, who will the find the bureaucracy easy as well and the organization is paid by his employer

the woman is correct in blaming the system. she understands that the disincentive comes from a systemic failure and deliberate misrepresentation/misconception. even @geohot said in some interview he'd rather die than receive UBI while his face and body language radiated 'LIAR'.

let the woman work & make sure her bank account statements aren't stressful. she'll take some learning paths to get certificates, qualifications, skills required for promotions, financials literacy and self-employment. pay for all of it in advance, set a time limit and rep limit for exams of three years and 12 exams. if she fails, don't pay for her learning paths anymore but keep her bank account statements stress free.

she'll have money to spend on the markets and sh'll pay at least some taxes ans she'll be evolving, living, and her children will, too, and her chances to meet a proper new partner will be much higher.

students in their early twenties who don't have children and are eligible for some form of federal financial support don't really need even more money and there are incentives to perform and get projects, grants, scholarships for all kinds of characters. apprentices who earn waaaaay too little should also get stress free bank account statements for obvious reasons.

> severe bureaucracy

been there, done that. it's not severe, it's not even 2 hours per month and maybe waiting for 2 or three letters from xyz.

2 hours of non-engaging bureaucratic work for 1300 € per month. Thats 650 €/h ...

I want to throw intuition into this insight. A gamble based on a 'deliberate' shortage of knowledge increases the intensity of non-gamble-domain-specific awareness of scraps of experiences that, if accumulated, fit the pattern one gambles on (process and outcome). Risk aversion can be an instant accumulation of intuitions about factors that lead to the success or failure of the gamble. An "I should have know but did it anyway" kind of thing or "if only I had thrown a little more cpu and time into this consideration". So whether it's rational or not is the result of 'mindfulness' in that specific domain, which leaves risk aversion itself as a kind of no-brainer for most people most of the times when they (don't) act on it. Excluding coin flips. What do coin flips have to do with the human kind of risk anyway? And the hunter in the story is emotional (love or desire to dominate) which already excludes rationality and his shortage of knowledge extends to the domain of long term partnership between humans with personality, responsibilities and expectations of him, the prospective partner and those of the tribe.

> exclude people who are unwilling or unable to constructive contribute

Exclusion comes with the brutal side-effect that the excluded people become ignorant towards and alienated from their own kind and thus accept any cost of punishment and negative consequences, including their own suffering! It's crazy. This then becomes the base and nourishment for extremists and their marketing strategies.

> Eventually, this mass democracy degenerates into tribalism and the cycle repeats itself.

Well, given my personal ignorance since the moment I more or less understood (the) "complexity, invisibility, incentives, and politically motivated cognition", I can safely speak for millions of smarter and more capable people (apologies, nevertheless) that this degeneration and succeeding repetition is the failure of the smart crowd.

They, the smart and intelligent crowd, and we, people with capable but less trained & thus less powerful brains, fail to keep the echo and hall going. We'd rather balance work/life, and hustle up side projects than pick up the fight against the aristocracy and politicians, who are, with everything that is (and always has been) going on, mocking and provoking the smart crowd and quite literally defecating all over the place, which is, kind of, sorry for the sentimentality, our home & garden, too ...

It's not a programmed cycle, not an infinite loop, there are plenty of distinguished and graceful ways to handle all the errors, warnings, negative effects and shitty outcomes, that, for the sake of completeness, create just as much or even more (and more meaningful) work. ... and a great many people to handle the foundational work.

Ah, that's a good way to store these concepts in memory: an organisms levels of identity acquiring resources and/or being "otherwise more impactful".

If you have not read it, yet, I highly recommend it: The Deep History of Ourselves by Joseph LeDoux.

I think that your entire thought process can be hypothesized all the way back to the first cellular colonies. Individualist needed the sustainable colony to get the chance to grow and thrive. The Colony needed Individualists to innovate and diversify, because with a growing population, new needs and wants are born from evolution, subconsciousness, experience and choice and the freaking environment changes so new sources need to be processed according to possibility and taste.

The fun part is that the preserving part of the colony needs the kind of remembering and honor you are talking about to maintain the ground on which individualists can grow. At the same time individualists need to be strong enough to dessert the colony and establish a new one. And if they do, their only way to survive is to build a culture of remembering and honor that enables the growth of new individualists.

Sometimes I find myself playing with the thought that Empires only fall if their conserving body fails to serve the diverse range of needs, desires & kinks of it's population, the breeding ground of and by individualists & for everybody. It's as if too many good men die in wars and the politicians and administrators back home just don't have what it takes to be grow strong enough people because they themselves can only survive and thrive in submissive, pseudo-dominant hierarchies that don't cherish innovation & individualism and tend to be predatory & oppressive, fostering cultures that are build on shame, guilt, fear and manipulation because these things are efficient enforcers of conformity, cooptation, and create adjustable competition, which is exactly what makes colonies weak and poisons the ground, air and food of both, the social body and the individualists.

Consumer Culture might have been maximized as a hack around this, I believe, not necessarily as a conspiracy of men who tried to standardize the way of money, but of the social body itself, in order to create a clandestine womb for individualists, because mothers noticed what the fuck and how the head aligned their offspring after too many fathers died in wars & too many natural leaders withdrew from top level positions and went into the crafts and engineering because so that the mafia guys wouldn't gang up on them & their offspring. Too much corruption, even when they were only just tiny clumps of cells! ... and now we have "the age of consciousness" vs/or/and/not/nand "mass information flow"

until no things grow no more, that our farm animals could eat

for everything our logic is, it's not our main way of creating value. it's the one way we survive, hand in hand with a lot of ignorance. this planet has far more patience for us than we have for ourselves.

basically the reply from PaulHoule.

cases where a lack of competition enables corporations and even SMEs to run utterly nonsensical game theory-style pricing schemes, behavioral nudges and cooptation strategies, leaving the biggest part of their users/customers more dependent than before and less receptive to better or the (currently) best ways of doing things that are within his financial & time budget.

thx!

> Not doing your own thinking is bad, actually.

IMO: "AI" kind of highlights a fact that has been prevalent forever. Fascism, Marketing, FinBoys, Bubbles, TRL, Social Media, Influencers & Streamers, now AI ... and Musicians, Artists, making money and giving less and less shit all the way ... not doing your own thinking while ignoring all negative effects & side-effects for the benefit of the super-ego & the pseudo-dominant financial hierarchies is a long-running method of cooptation and incorporation, it's a slow burn FUBU death cult, but only if you look in that direction or lose focus, which is why adventurers, explorers, scientists, engineers, nerds, tend to concentrate and constantly zoom in and out. in essence, people who don't do their own thinking, tend to be quite "open & receptive"

nope. communism is when people do what must be done while criticizing each other for fun ... you know, like people who don't feel the need to pseudo-dominate. people rarely get to see communism in action.

what you know as communism is some early access pre-alpha where half the code is duck tape polished with spit.

there is a convention to ignore that communism never organized. it wouldn't have anyway. too many corrupt humans. it's too bad humans didn't learn in time about emotional and cognitive exploits, sabotage of bias and fallacies and pseudo-dominance. only because of that did so many good men die in pointless wars. 'member how the smartest scientist & engineers were all for communism back in the day? that's because they understood machines and wanted to build for eternity. then the magic-money guys, who always lose against honest competition, came around and established their pseudo-dominant financial hierarchies and threatened and scared people and now we have planned obsolescence, "the right to repair", influencers and make-up that will make you look mid-chemo 70 before you are 40. hoarder capitalism, fuck yeah

I recommend Neal Stephenson's Snow Crash ... tl;dr: guys with katanas and kids on skateboards with really cool tires and grappling hooks ^^

that's exactly how! self-interest. being lazy is always up there as an option. some people button-mash that shit the minute they wake up. and not all of them are poor, unhappy, unhealthy. it's usually only when other people feel the need to remind them that they can press pause and the check the list of available commands to which they usually answer something like: "no shit, sherlock", that they suddenly feel inadequate and stressed.