It's less formal
only because you're acting as if it's not business. But I suspect you're the only one, the erstwhile clients are
and they are demonstrating a perfect willingness to not pay you for your time.
It's a tell. Most people who will screw you live with themselves under the rationalization that they gave fair warning. You're hanging around past the initial conversation where a little free friendly advice is socially appropriate among acquaintances, and now past the point where it's clear that a normal business transaction is in the works. You're the one buying and the seller has been clear: *caveat emptor".
You're not part of this deal. You have no leverage to force your way in. If the company grows, then paying work for you may be created organically. It's only worth playing long.