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He was also a Jew. As in the Jews that are well known for prodigious scientific, economic, musical, etc. etc. output.

Hardly a Syrian, or Iraqi, or Afghani, or some other adherent to a hostile, violent, and regressive ideology[0]. Not everything is an equivalency just because you want the world to be as such.

Worth noting in today's political climate.

[0] Not that all Syrians, Iraqis, or Afghanis are.

Edit: Ok, what is "triggering" you drive-by down voters. If you disagree with the facts, and can formulate that disagreement into coherent statements, that would probably be better for both your mental state and the world, than drive-by downvotes.

Edit, Edit: Upon further reflection of the above edit, as the more studious among you may have observed, a coherent disagreement with facts is more or less a logical impossibility.

So I guess what I'm asking is that if the above statements so trigger you as to garner your downvote, maybe a reappraisal of your worldview is in order. Or maybe more productive than downvoting would be if you could formulate in words what exactly about the above makes you uncomfortable.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11334283 and marked it off-topic.

So straight-up censorship is a thing on HN now?

I don't know how this could be argued off-topic when it directly pertained to the parent comment. If anything the parent comment was off-topic, and I found it unseemly that oska would use the occasion of Mr. Grove's death to promote a political agenda.

I felt compelled in the interest of Mr. Grove's memory to point out the flaws in oska's statement.

Was this really a joint decision, or is that a royal we?

Glancing at your comment history, dang, it becomes apparent that the ratio of pleasant to unpleasant interactions you have on this site is quite lopsided.(excuse my presumption)

So I just want to say thanks for all the actions you take to make HN a better place, even if I don't agree with them all.

I wouldn't call it censorship, but that word has so many different meanings.

I didn't see oska's comment as particularly political but now that you mention it I suppose we could have just marked the whole subthread off-topic. Your reply, though, certainly was, since it stopped being about Grove and went into racial speculations... a bad sign on HN at the best of times. Also the going on about downvoting was super off topic and explicitly against the HN guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html.

Most importantly, though, thanks for taking the time to also express good will. That was nice of you and I really appreciate it.

This is such a strange comment, but I'm finding it hard to put my finger on exactly why. It's something to do with how you're happy to make generalisations about Jews, but careful in how you demonise Syrians, Iraqis and Afghans.

> It's something to do with how you're happy to make generalisations about Jews, but careful in how you demonise Syrians, Iraqis and Afghans.

That's the part you found odd? That part's not so strange, people are OK with generalizations when they are positive, and not OK when they are negative.

It's combining the two subjects that I found offputting.

It's probably strange because it describes a basic reality of the world, but one that so many people strain to avert their eyes from.

I'm not making any generalisations about Jews. Just conveying what looking at any Sunday Times, or Forbes rich list will tell you, or what looking at the annals of scientific history or the recipients list of Nobel prizes will tell you, or what looking at a list of highly regarded concert pianists or violinists will tell you, etc. etc.

But I'm not much interested in going back and forth about this, the facts are the facts. And I already found it strange that oska took a thread of this sort as an opportunity to promote an agenda that is basically against the interests of all involved, i.e. mass migrations of cultures into lands where they are wholly incompatible with the native culture.

And I suppose the Palmach, Irgun and Stern gang were made of....

Those are two unrelated things. You should not have combined them that way. And the second one is very very offtopic.

You want to congratulate Jews for having a culture that produces people like him? Do it.

But the behavior of other people has nothing whatsoever to do with him.

The behaviour of people whos "orthodox" are able to discuss gods-rules en detail and find workarounds - has everything to do with how you percive the world and approach everything. Its a mindset word approaching.

I too thought it was off-topic, but unless I'm mistaken that's what oska was referring to. S/he brought it up, don't chastise me.

And you're right, they are mostly unrelated. That was the point of my comment, oska attempted to relate them by making a false equivalency, and I corrected him/her.

I get your point, but if something is offtopic, it's offtopic. Don't reply just because someone else brought it up.

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