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Numbeo agrees:

Consumer Prices in Berlin are 30.83% lower than in San Francisco, CA

Consumer Prices Including Rent in Berlin are 56.36% lower than in San Francisco, CA

Rent Prices in Berlin are 78.16% lower than in San Francisco, CA

Restaurant Prices in Berlin are 36.88% lower than in San Francisco, CA

Groceries Prices in Berlin are 49.39% lower than in San Francisco, CA

Local Purchasing Power in Berlin is 16.50% higher than in San Francisco, CA

(http://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/compare_cities.jsp?coun...)

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Just to put a hard number, if you're paying 1000EUR per month on an apartment you're probably paying too much (and it's going to be a big place in Mitte for example)

Your information is out of date by 2-3 years.

Possibly

I just checked Immoscout24 and though the average is higher it seems you still can find stuff around 1000EUR (of course there's pricier options if you want)

Good luck getting those though, the competition is fierce (all the good apartments get 30+ applicants showing, sometimes 50+).

For a 3 room (2 bedroom) apartment of around 90m^2 (hardly what I would call big for a family) you will pay around 1000 net (kaltmiete) for a place outside the Ringbahn in Tempelhof/Stieglitz/Schöneberg/etc.

In Mitte prices will be a higher (although there are still shittier areas near Wedding where prices might actually be lower in Mitte).

Schöneberg is inside the Ringbahn

Not entirely. I was talking about the bit between tempelhof and steglitz that's just south of the ring.

Just checked on Google Maps and it seems you're right (though the habitable area is small)

Another surprising discovery is that KaDeWe is in Schöneberg as well

You could also try a shared flat (WG). I'm paying 320€ per month (Warmmiete) in Wedding. It might not be the coolest place in town, but it has certainly more bars and nightlife than Mitte.

Also its about 10-15min into Mitte by bike or public transport.

Yes you can

Protip: write a script to get the latest openings on wg-gesucht and shoot an email as fast as you can. Then maybe you'll get to view it

lots of scam and dead ads

It's not. 1000-1100 is still the sweet spot for leveling up the kind of place you're renting. From that price up the raise hasn't been as steep as for lower rents in the last few years.

But it sounds like salaries are 50% lower... Also car costs are conveniently missing from that list.

I don't think car costs would be hugely relevant for Berlin, every time I've visited Berlin the U-Bahn / S-Bahn has got me everywhere I wanted to go. Though I can't imagine using a car in SF either - perhaps a BART/Uber vs U-Bahn comparison would be appropriate.

You require no car if you live in Berlin (I've lived here for the past 3 years, and I have a family inc. small children).

The link does include car costs, it cites them as 10% lower than in SF. Gas prices are 77% higher though.

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