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I never said I've never used them. I've used them and decided they were not useful for me based on those experiences. So no, in this case, I do in fact know.

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Except you describe the kinds of problems you typically solve (placing a button in a row) which are the smallest/simplest case of the problems that we're talking about, so it seems that you might not know about the problems that other devs face in composition of business logic, layering of complex build chains, etc or see a reason why solutions to these problems would ever be useful. Fair enough, but then you probably aren't the target market, so it doesn't make much sense to ask for a pivot to something else.

I really think you guys are misunderstanding my comment. Placing a button in a row is not a complex thing and frankly not something I spend a lot of time doing or worrying about. Look, it's just not. Does it require a new type of tool? IMO, no, it really doesn't.

I'm quite aware of the kinds of problems "other devs face", and they are far more complex than plopping a glorified view inside of another view and hooking up an action when someone taps it.

I simply do not see enough in Eve to convince me that it will significantly help with much more complicated things - things like what you describe - composition of complex business logic, layering complex build chains, etc - and here's a few other common things I don't see it providing significantly new and interesting support for:

- creation and management of complex data models and how they map down to SQL or NoSQL persistence - orchestrating complex, multithreaded processes - API design and management - cloud infrastructure architecture, design and management - container design and management - transaction processing - analytics

etc...

Could something like Eve progress to encompass those types of activities? Possibly (and frankly I'd love to see it - imagine something like Eve's UI for seamlessly managing infrastructure across Azure, AWS, Google Cloud and on-prem infrastructure - that would be amazing). But IMO, it's starting by solving the wrong kinds of problems by reinventing the wheel (new language).

Like I've said before, I don't need or want a new IDE or language to help me with trivial problems. I want tools that help with the harder stuff.

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