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The thing is... I would say that UIkit is better, and there's some other guy at the bottom of this thread getting downvoted into oblivion for saying the same thing about Material Design.

Momentum is a pretty powerful thing.

And at the end of the day, ALL of these frameworks are pretty much limited crutches for appdevs who aren't that great with CSS. They have more in common than they have separating them.

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With Semantic UI, you can control every single parameter, remove useless components, and you can add/override rules without messing with/modifying its files.

You know what else can do that? Writing your own CSS in the first place, no more complex than it needs to be. :)

I tend to rank these things on a balance... of having the functionality that I'm likely to use, versus simplicity and learning curve of the functionality that's there.

So I like UIkit for side projects because it has a lot of built-in components that Bootstrap makes me find external plugins for (e.g. datepicker), and doesn't have a lot of Bootstrap crap that I never use (e.g. jumbotron, wells). It looks great, doesn't have any kind of complex "build system", and takes a few hours to learn. If I wrote a webapp that turns into the next big thing, then I'd have a real web designer redo the static stuff anyway.

Of course you're right, I was talking more about serious projects run by a very small number of people (1-3), and under very limited timespan and budget. Companies won't need css frameworks anyway in most cases.

> remove useless components

How about removing SUI's jQuery dependency? [1] :)

[1] https://github.com/Semantic-Org/Semantic-UI/issues/1175

Here you go:

http://react.semantic-ui.com/introduction

I'd love to use SUI with effects written in plain javascript sans gigantic dependencies.

Replacing a 100KB jQuery dependency with a 500KB React dependency I'd hardly call a solution. What happens when the next big thing hits JS land? As it stands the SUI author refuses to refactor out the jQuery dependency due to the amount of work involved.

UIkit looks really nice, I'll have to give it a try.

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