Comment by kevincox | Hacker News Reader

Comment by kevincox | Hacker News Reader

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"Unwritten pact" is a overly sensational but I do think they have a point.

Many publishers are entirely, or mostly ad supported. Their expectation is that when you read their content you also glance at the ads. If they can't make money off the ads they can't afford to produce the content anymore. (or more likely try different monetization approaches)

This sounds like some sort of deal to me. And the impact of breaking it is apparent to anyone who thinks about it for more then a couple of seconds.

That being said I find that many sites have obnoxious ads (or other content) and I simply hit back if it is too much. (and I consider my tolerance quite low) The content simply wasn't worth that much to me, and I can likely find equal or better content without the shit surrounding it.

Ad blockers are blunt instruments. They generally affect all sites and whitelisting is rare and based on the good part of the site, not how awful the ads are. This seems like the wrong motivators for publishers. The "turn away" approach directly penalizes sites that are unpleasant.

> Many publishers are entirely, or mostly ad supported. Their expectation is that when you read their content you also glance at the ads.

I'd say it's a false expectation. Businesses only succeed within the culture that supports them. If the culture doesn't value the business model then the business will fail or, as you say, it will adopt another model.

We live, I think, in an age of advertising pollution. If the culture of web users is intolerant of advertising then advertising supported businesses will fail. I don't see this as being either good or bad. The business model either works or it doesn't, and no business should expect their particular model to work.

It's funny though, the ad blocker blockers that they have now actually just make me close the browser tab and go on to something else.

I've realized how little value the vast majority of these sites actually offer. In fact, they actually cost me more in time and productivity than anything and I gain very little.

There are plenty of services I pay for. But it probably won't be an internet news site.

I've found myself doing the same thing. I am not changing my configuration for your website to get past a nag screen. If it doesn't work, I'll go somewhere else. There are very few pieces of information on the Internet that are exclusive to one source.

On the other hand, do an exemplary job, and I'll seriously consider donating or buying merchandise. I've chipped money to Wikipedia, Reddit, and LWN, as well as Debian, the FSF and the EFF. Not everything needs to be for profit, and not every website is entitled to making money. If the work you do is important enough, it will find a way.

Yep. Either closing the tab, or opening the browser console and spite hacking until I can see the content.

IMO it's the same misalignment of incentives that plagues our healthcare system, where different actors make decisions and then someone else gets the feedback.

The newspaper doesn't necessarily know how bad the ads get for users, the users don't know what the financial stress is on the newspaper, and the advertising network doesn't have to care about either of them beyond squeezing the most water from a stone.

I think there was an unwritten pact, but I think it was broken by serving malware, pop-ups, autoplaying videos, etc. long before adblockers became popular.

Whining about how consumers don't uphold their end of a pact that advertisers willfully broke is just delusional.

There are often 4 parties involved in online advertising.

- Those pushing a product whom have a deal with advertisers.

- The advertisers who have a deal with both the companies selling products and web pages selling space for ads.

- Web pages which have a deal with advertisers.

- Users who have little obligations to anyone and less loyalty.

Advertisers, web pages, and sellers have confused the fact that their business model depends on someone who is not only disinterested in their arrangement but actively hostile to it with an unwritten pact. This is especially surprising when it becomes clear that their acts and ends are ultimately hostile to the user.

Its not only unwritten its wholly and entirely imaginary. Adapt or die the current state of the web and the crap on it is ultimately going to end with 70-90% of users using adblock.

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