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Right, because building something online eventually changes the dynamic. Just pick a big "Community" and do some digging - YouTube Comment Section - Reddit - 4Chan - Twitter. There's not a single online community that is inherently positive or constructive without extensive, heavy-handed moderation.

If you get to the end, you'll see that Zuckerberg thinks that Facebook can AI moderate away shitty behavior. Look closely, that's a fundamental claim. Yet, at the end of the day, he's running a business, not a Non-Profit Human Welfare Organization, right?

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You miss the point. Where's the offline part of the YouTube comment section? My kid's kindergarten class has an FB page that is very important to how the class functions day to day. Sure you could code up a replacement but it wouldn't be nearly as easy to use as jus having everyone on FB. And it's great. And it really does strengthen and deepen the offline community. Same for the FB page for my grad school alumni. A massive positive contribution where people solicit opinions from literally all over the world and have meaningful discussions.

I don't disagree that YT comments are just a cesspool. But how is that Zuck's fault?

> My kid's kindergarten class has an FB page that is very important to how the class functions day to day.

This sends chills down my spine, because we're selling out kids to the same Surveillance-Industrial complex we sold out to before they even get a choice in the matter.

>> My kid's kindergarten class has an FB page that is very important to how the class functions day to day.

> This sends chills down my spine, because we're selling out kids to the same Surveillance-Industrial complex we sold out to before they even get a choice in the matter.

Absolutely! I don't understand how people are just letting this happen or even promoting it. I see Facebook pages, WhatsApp groups and such - all used to share sensitive information about children - fundamentally making it impossible for the children to reverse the effects of these actions when they're adults. I'd rather prefer an email group to these mechanisms. Or they might as well put everything on Twitter in public view to avoid any pretense of having private communications. I'm far too focused on privacy to consider any benefits as outweighing the dangers and damages.

And forcing everyone else by ultimatum. Facebook needs to go, period. It's too convenient, and we're too much into convenience to figure our way out of the mess collectively.

Yes, thank you, that was my point... when online communities are connected to real-world communities, the atmosphere of the online communities are usually better. I'm not sure how the person above missed that, since I said it twice. I brought that up because Zuck was talking about facebook being used to help real-world communities... like your kid's kindergarten class... and my neighbourhood watch group.

So your kids kindergarten forces parents and children to join an advertising data collection tool? Fuck them for doing that to the children.

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