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Well, I don't know where you get the idea that C#/TypeScript/Java/etc are only used in bullshit enterprise projects but you couldn't be more wrong about that. There are plenty of games, mobile apps, hobby projects and other fun things written with these. Take a look around. Twitch.tv has a number of Windows/C#/TypeScript devs that work on games.

Anyway, have you heard of VSCode at all? That's written in TypeScript. So is Ionic 2 and Ionic Native. Those along with Angular 2/4 are all complete platforms written in TypeScript...

So, what have you got besides Reagent/Om? Because those aren't even half as large, popular or even alive as the ones I've mentioned (and React isn't built with Clojure either).

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Do you use angular2 with typescript? How would you describe your experience for you in the last weeks/months and releases? Do you use angular-cli?

The only thing I'm going saying is that it is reaching the 4.0 version with the stability and concisiness of a 0.3 alpha.

Are you asking me or are you telling me? I feel like no matter what I say, you are just going to shoot it down anyway because it seems like this particular avenue of thought is completely closed off to you. What do you think I'm going to say? That I don't use them? Not sure what kind of response you are expecting here.

I'm asking. If you say that you don't use the tools, I'll not give your previous opinion too much credit. If you say that you use, and that the recent updates of angular2/4/X didn't messed with your apps, I'd ask more about what have you done. Angular is completely imature, with a huge bad tasty for conventions (If someone says that RxJS is also good software, I'll first ask if they really have used it).

I see no problem in this way of arguing, do you? You have to back up your strong words in favor of something that I, as a user, have a lot of bad things to say about.

You're not answering any of my questions; you completely ignored them which was kind of rude in my opinion. Where are these great Clojurescript projects?

Anyhow, I use Ionic 2 (which is built on Angular 2) with TypeScript build mobile apps and they are absolutely fantastic to work with. What exactly are you going to ask me about this that is going to change your opinion? You've obviously made up your mind. So, what's the point of talking to you? You're not going to argue, you are just going to keep giving out your opinion which, so far, seems highly caustic and ill-informed.

Sorry that next to nobody is using your favorite language. It's not my problem. TypeScript and Angular definitely have a future and no amount of whining is going to stop it.

I also think that is useless to argue as you also have already made your mind. A lot of people would said the same about angular1 and here we are, stuck with an angular2 that breaks your app every release, the last one was angular cli.

I don't update for every single release like you do I guess. So maybe I have not had any problems that you've had. Ionic does not update right away when angular changes either.

My opinion doesn't really matter though. I use what is popular so that I have plenty of help getting my work done. The only opinion that I've given you of Clojurescript so far is that I don't think it's as popular. Other than that, nobody has told me what is so great about it in this thread or anywhere. So I really don't think that you have any basis to say that my mind is made up about how great that is. You're not selling it at all and you didn't even answer my question about it.

You misunderstood my point since the beginning. I never said clojurescript is currently the best option to software development, but it do fixes the architectural problems of JavaScript. As it is javascript, it improves the platform/ecossystem as a whole.

If you wanna a good example: https://github.com/mozilla/mentat

Riiiiight. That's why you made the argument about React/Reagent/Om when I pressed you about that point. Nice try though!

Anyway, I think I pointed out how wrong you are on just about every other point you made in this thread. Anybody who reads this will certainly see that. So, my work is done here :)

Enjoy that last word if you want!

Let me highlight were your desillusion started:

> Clojurescript, for example, makes most of the anti-JS arguments silly, although a lot of people think they look smart bashing JS

Cljs has types (spec), great concurrency and is a very concise language, created by a very smart architect, Rich Rickey.

But ok, you won, man!

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