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Consider that unions are great in theory and in many circumstances have proven themselves corrupt to the core in practice.

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What's your point? We complain about corruption in all those other things as well, and no one suggests it's "professional elitism" to do so.

I just have to ask about the corrupt pets... So?

I think everyone knows which pets I'm talking about.

It's the turtles. You can't trust anything that lives that long and never speaks.

The fat cats.

I mentally swapped "corporations" out for "unions" in your sentence and it reads just as well.

I consider it a credit to the anti-union propagandists that we're all so quick to discard one of the very few tools we laborers have to better our lot in life.

Criticizing is not discarding. I will happily criticize both unions and corporations, and I don't think we should get rid of either concept.

No parent comment criticizing unions does it without the implication that they shouldn't exist. This is most easily seen by the total absence of any mention of a specific union, thus direction the objections towards the concept itself rather than any specific version of it.

All unions, as a general concept, tend toward corruption. Just like corporations do. The concept itself is flawed. But flawed does not mean it shouldn't exist.

Unions are a way of concentrating the power of labor.

All power corrupts. The observation proves nothing about unions specifically. If you take away power from unions it just goes and does its corrupting somewhere else.

s/unions/humans/g

A few unions engage in poor practices and you are happy to tar them all with the same brush.

The problem is not the unions.

Saying "the problem is not the unions" is as wide-brush as saying they are the problem; unions have some good causes but the core of their existence is to keep employees employed, sometimes that means important jobs that should exist and sometimes its a cancer that stops a business from profiting or stopping the creation of new ones or the advance of technology (think taxi drivers vs self-driving cars)

I don't know how to tell you this but there's no such thing as a car that can drive itself.

Oh my, I'm afraid they exist[0], and there are already NYC unions trying to ban them: http://readwrite.com/2017/01/17/new-york-ban-self-driving-tl...

[0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uHbMt6WDhQ8

Waymo is still developing the technology, they can only go 5000 miles on average without the need for human intervention. They're getting close, but they don't exist yet.

Maybe some day they'll even be able to drive 5000 different miles instead of driving the same 5 miles 1000 times.

You keep believing that, meanwhile in reality: http://www.theverge.com/2016/4/7/11383392/self-driving-truck...

I don't know how to tell you this, but go to Japan and be proven spectacularly wrong. Or... go to SFO and see the air train that's driverless too?

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