Does anyone have any insight into working at Zenefits at the current moment? I'm about to interview with them for a data position.
Alcohol isn't banned, but the company in general does not pay for booze in the office outside of company events, so there aren't fridges or kegerators free-flowing with booze, unlike most of the startups I've worked at before.
Some teams keep celebratory stashes that they pay for themselves, which IMO strikes a good balance between letting people drink but discouraging a heavily alcohol-focused work culture.
I didn't find startup drinking culture tiresome until I left it, and I'm glad I did.
I've never been more productive and my mind has never been so clear.
That sounds dismal, regularly seeing a little pain in the eyes of your coworkers.
Welcome to this world.
Don't get me wrong, I like the occasional drink, and maybe I'm just a lightweight, but I imagine my work productivity/reliability would tank after even a few beers. Hell, I don't even drink coffee on work days, even though I quite enjoy the taste, because I feel like it makes me too jittery. Now I will admit that I'm a technician so I work with my hands but is coding/programming more immune to this kind of thing?
Also, from my experience alcohol seems like one of the best guaranteed ways to get people to act in ways they normally wouldn't. I certainly act more relaxed, maybe even unprofessional or crude, after I've had a few drinks. Which is of course why I don't drink in a professional setting. After all the things I've read about toxic work environments at places like Uber, if I was running a company, the last thing I would want is my employees drinking at work.
I want to make clear I've never worked in an environment that allowed drinking, certainly not one that had employee areas stocked with alcohol, so I'm not judging here, I'm just trying to figure out the attraction. And how companies that allow or support it mitigate the potential negative effects.
These policies also make so much more sense with small offices where everyone knows each other.
Finally, there are typically stringent "on call" policies for people in control of deployed infrastructure to ensure they don't drink. People further away from the money don't need this as much.
The bit about acting as social glue makes some sense to me, although to be honest it still seems somewhat problematic. Even discounting people who don't drink for whatever reason(alcohol dependance, religious views, health, etc) I would think that alcohol would pose just as many potential problems as it would aim to fix.
I'm obviously bringing a huge amount of personal bias to this discussion, but I'm probably exactly the kind of person who might benefit from the social aspects of drinking. I'm normally very shy and reserved, a beer or two often helps me relax and enjoy the company of others without my normal anxiety. Of course, a few too many beers results in me being too talkative and boisterous. In a social situation amongst friends, this would be no problem, someone would just tell me to calm the fuck down, I'd be momentarily embarrassed, and no one would think anything of it. At work however, it may pose more longer lasting problems with how others view me, or how I think others view me.
Again, I'm not judging anyone else who enjoys this kind of workplace, and I understand that what holds true for me may not be true of others, I just wanted to give my two cents.
However, there are other cultures where it's a huge smell for, umm, fratty culture. Don't ignore your gut on this unless you like cleaning up your boss's puke and feeling a stigma for staying dry. I've also experienced this and it was really fun for a small startup where everyone is friends—it needs to be carefully managed as you grow; you lose employees this way.
Having worked at dry offices, offices that had alcohol available at all times, and ones that did weekly TGIFs or whatever, I can't say I favor the trend. Invariably, it becomes a problem, and then people start moaning about how the culture is changing because the alcohol is disappearing. It's also alienating for a lot of otherwise good people (some people are alcoholics!)
It's a workplace, not a frat house. If you need a drink, finish your work, and go out and enjoy your life. But then, I feel the same way about office meals (I'd prefer you just paid me a higher salary, and I'll buy my own food, thanks), so I'm not a "team player".
First, if you have many people you can buy alcohol in bulk much cheaper than usual, if most of your workforce enjoys it then it is cheaper to buy it for everyone than giving increasing salaries a bit for people to drink on the streets which can be expensive. This is especially true for a very young workforce which spends a lot in entertainment.
Second, in startups which are pushing people to work for long periods of time, it can be a way to disguise burnout. If you are spending all day in the office you can feel your social life suffering, but they bring your social life to the office, I have my own anecdotal evidence of this.
Third, to a smaller degree, people will stick around and while they are not exactly on call it can pop up solutions to problems or new ideas to the office, I've seen many TGIFs crazy ideas get implemented and generate a better work environment, it can feel like a much safer meeting space for people to speak up.
They're not mutually exclusive. My office has alcohol, but people only tend to drink around or after 5, and typically quietly at their desk while working on something. Occasionally there will be a few people having a conversation in the kitchen over beers in the late afternoon.
I wouldn't describe it as a frat house though, and I think if you need to use that to describe an office, that's your problem; the alcohol is just a symptom.
I'd be okay with removing the alcohol if my employer also stopped driving me to drink[1].
I'm not a teetotaler, but it just seems unnecessary to me. Start with a culture of "we drink at the bar", and it never has to be a problem for anyone in the first place. Alcohol doesn't make you better at your job, so there's really no argument for it, other than "culture", which goes back to the shibboleth thing....
The prohibition movement was at least partially anti-immigrant. But saying "drink on your own time" is neither prohibitionist, nor anti-immigrant.
...get treatment for your alcoholism.
If you merely want a drink, then...
> finish your work, and go out and enjoy your life.
It's a complicated question. What's innocent, non-coercive fun for a small group of responsible people can get wildly out of control with one bad hire. And we don't do interviews for "angry drunk"....
Nobody is drinking while grinding out code, but these end-of-the-workday social environments can be incredibly valuable both socially and professionally.
It essentially replaces the team going to a bar together, and keeps that environment in the office.