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This is important: geeks know the score and use LibreOffice for this sort of thing - but ordinary people don't. "OpenOffice" still has stupendous brand awareness. You will have friends and family using this thing! Warn them, get them onto LO!

Oh, and well done to the Apache Software Foundation for falsifying the meeting minutes when a journalist came calling to ask what was up. https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/04/28/apache_openoffice_n... Note that's not the "independent" project, but the board of the nonprofit itself doing that.

BTW, AOO will probably finally get 4.1.4 out this month - they've got a release candidate for Mac and Linux, just need someone to successfully build revision 1803945 for Windows. http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg313... http://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg314...

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> You will have friends and family using this thing! Warn them, get them onto LO!

I just installed LO 5.4 on HiDPI Windows. The LO home page (localized) advertised that "LibreOffice 4 (sic!) just arrived". Unfortunately it went downhill from there: the HiDPI support is kind of not really present. Icons have negative margins (are halfway visible) and what's even worse the hit targets are not where the icon lies! So you select item N from a list and item N-1 gets selected.

I get it that OO is now evil due to Oracle but LO is just not usable. I know, I know free software but advertising LO to my family and friends would be the quickest way of getting them to not to ask me any IT related advice. Which may be a good side effect in itself.

Edit: I just tried AOO. It works. Looks a little bit dated but the controls are where they should be and everything I tested works correctly.

@hdhzy:

The problem you are having with the icons and clicks mis-registering is due to OpenGL rendering. I had the same problem. Go to Tools-Options-View and disable OpenGL rendering, should fix the problem.

Looks like there is some problem with the Intel drivers and LibreOffice, not sure.

I confirm.

* Dell Precision 7720 Nvidia Quadro P5000, Driver 385.08 * Windows 10 Pro, 64-Bit, Version: 1703, 15063.502

You are awesome for this solution!

Yes, I've verified that this fixes the issue. I'm using Intel drivers FWIW.

We might need to add your driver to the blacklist. What do you use exactly?

Here is our collection of HiDPI bugs: https://bugs.documentfoundation.org/showdependencytree.cgi?i...

Can you log a bug? And can you provide a link to that localised page? I'll alert the team.

> Edit: I just tried AOO. It works. Looks a little bit dated but the controls are where they should be and everything I tested works correctly.

Just to be clear-- are you saying that OpenOffice correctly handles HiDPI in its GUI while LibreOffice does not?

When you say "the controls are where they should be," do you mean that the icons in OpenOffice are both properly sized in the GUI window as well as having the correct hitboxes?

I'd love to see some screenshots of the two side-by-side if you have some.

> Just to be clear-- are you saying that OpenOffice correctly handles HiDPI in its GUI while LibreOffice does not?

It's probably upscaled but it works correctly.

> When you say "the controls are where they should be," do you mean that the icons in OpenOffice are both properly sized in the GUI window as well as having the correct hitboxes?

Yes.

> I'd love to see some screenshots of the two side-by-side if you have some.

Please check HiDPI bug list for screenshots. After a little bit of tweaking it turns out that disabling "Full OpenGL rendering" in settings fix these issues. Now LibreOffice looks and works just like AOO.

From the article:

> As of 2017-Apr-12 we have more than 214,000,000 million [sic] downloads and it is still at a consistent rate with ~100,000 downloads in average per day". That is 100,000 people every day who are downloading the output of a project that clearly lacks the development capacity to get important bug fixes out to users, much less understand and improve the entirety of such a massive body of code.

100k downloads/day is a lot.

They're doing a disservice to their users by not redirecting them to the more actively maintained LibreOffice.

Actually even more - they harm the image of the open source itself, providing an off product instead of pushing the progress and redirecting to LibreOffice...

It's frustrating. Most people seem to know about OpenOffice as a free alternative to Microsoft's Office Suite, but hardly anyone has heard about LibreOffice. Which leads to people trying out OpenOffice and concluding that Open Source Software isn't up to the task.

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