Lack of sleep boosts levels of Alzheimer's proteins
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What I mean is.. if I were you, I would try sleeping in pitch black for a week and then check how I‘ve adjusted.
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15978252 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15477048 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15508714
the talk about software and RSI.
Curious. I do this occasionally, but it seems that for you its more of a work habit.
It sounds like there is also genetic variation in production, so if you have a generally lower production then a higher level due to your sleep pattern might still not be that high relative to others (or if you have higher than usual production then long days could be more likely to cause trouble).
As someone with a circadian disorder, the thing I would worry about most from your sleep pattern is triggering a circadian disorder. At least Non-24 seems likely to have both a genetic predisposition and require triggering in many people (some have it from birth). This would be most likely if your normal rhythm seems to normally be longer than usual, although even there it isn't necessarily a problem since cave studes show people slip naturally into the type of sleep pattern that you describe. It might depend on how you do the transition (and how close you get to a two day cycle on your long days). But I would suggest at least being very observant of your circadian rhythm. Things like when you get hungry, feel tired, and have to pee can indicate how your circadian rhythm is doing and if those things change when you aren't staying up late then that could cause serious trouble eventually.
Prolonging the clearing process would mean that you spend a longer time at very low concentration, but not that the minimum concentration would be much lower. If the harm of high concentrations is disproportionally higher, the longer time at lower concentration would be unable to balance that out.
However, this is only based on my rough intuition and I didn't even do any napkin math. If you want to really get a quantifiable comparison, you'd better find out about the concrete interactions in question and calculate it yourself.
Or you could ask a physician who specializes in sleep (I forget what they are called), but if it isn't already published science somewhere, it's unlikely they could tell you anything other than that what you're doing is highly unusual and you should probably stop.
But I started logging my sleep times after an appointment with a sleep disorder clinic and found maybe I am not sleeping for as long as I assumed - it's just that when my sleep is interrupted, I don't complete my 8 hours until 12 or so has passed.
I recently found out that it inhibits REM sleep, which really starts to feel after few months being stoned. The worst part is coming back from it - the dreams are extra vivid.
Now the article mentions long-wave sleep being the cause tho, but I can’t help to think that constant REM sleep deprevation has to have some sort of impact in the long term, perhaps we haven’t discovered it yet.
I wonder what study on general EEG signatures may reveal with respect to the efficiency with which the cleanup process can be facilitated thereby. Perhaps meditative practices could be demonstrated as a form of protein-cache clearing even when in a waking, albeit altered, state of consciousness.
They mention one alternative that would also fit the data: "In order for decreased glymphatic clearance during sleep deprivation to increase soluble CSF Aβ, a decrease in irreversible losses (e.g. to the bloodstream or lymphatics) due to prolonged overnight waking would have to be perfectly matched by an increase in Aβ clearance to CSF. This is plausible but unlikely and not identifiable from the current data."
They say "The SILK kinetics results unequivocally show that glymphatic clearance alone, without compensation from other clearance mechanisms, would be ineffective in protecting the brain from AD because overall clearance rates are not changing. Glymphatic clearance may potentially contribute to the protective effects of sleep against AD, but changes in production rate seem to be the necessary and critical factor."
Also worth noting that they were unable to test if changes in slow wave sleep made a difference because sodium oxybate didn't actually increase slow wave sleep in that group vs normal sleepers.
It does sound like this contradicts previous research, at least: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3880190/
They do cite that paper but do not have a detailed analysis of how their results could be consistant or are contradictory to what that study found. In that study radioactive amyloid beta was directly injected into mice and then how much of it was left was observed after varying amounts of time later and in sleeping vs. awake vs anesthetized. Maybe newly produced amyloid beta could be cleared instead of the radiolabeled amyloid beta or maybe the injected amyloid beta had different clearanace properties than naturally generated amyloid beta, but I don't know if either of those are plausable. Maybe they are just contradictory results.
If it is correct that the production changes are what makes the difference, I wonder why that is the case considering the much larger fluid exchange that happens at night. Also I wonder if some of the other similar substances that cause problems if they accumulate too much have a similar issue. Maybe stuff that can be cleared at high rate is easier to get rid of with relatively little sleep and stuff that can't is more likely to cause trouble over time.
Also naps, take advantage of them. I'll often go home on lunch, and take a snooze for an hour.
Don't eat late, cut anything too mentally addictive (socnet, binge watching). Relaxing env. Eat well, move a lot (I never sleep better than when Im drain post jogging).
It won't cure all, but even in bad times (I am just past one) it makes a good difference.
I honestly am not worth talking to before 11AM, and I need at least half an hour to settle in and check emails. Oh, you’re taking lunch at noon? Good for you. See you at 1PM. I don’t care. I’ll stay until 8PM. Just give me my mornings back, please?
Why the fuck am I in 10AM meetings? Why are people awake at 9AM? I have to drink a gallon of coffee to make it to 5PM, and that fucks my shit up until 2AM. I fucking hate all of you.