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> It never fails to amaze me how many people (even in this forum) can rationalize both an intense desire to deny immigrants or "new" people into their culture and yet maintain free speech and the marketplace of ideas as a necessary thing to uphold for a free and just society.

Welfare. A country can have welfare or open borders, but not both, lest it goes bankrupt.

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You're taking twenty steps forward from "deny immigrants" to "open borders" and also not really replying to anything I mentioned...

I never advocated for open borders. But the immigration system in most countries has been working fine without any need to restrict them except for fear of the populace and a disbelief in the truth of liberal, humanist philosophies.

Any system other than open borders will deny immigrants to some degree, by definition. So no, not twenty steps.

I mean, you have logical reasoning skills. An appeal to not close borders further is not the same thing as an appeal for open borders.

As I said earlier, the current system is / was working. Current appeals for further restriction aren't based on economics, they are based on fear.

You made no appeal to not close borders further. You expressed concern over a vague claim of "increased concern about immigration".

If you have a precise idea you'd like to debate, express your ideas more precisely.

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