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Probably worth rehashing the infamous messages:

> Zuck: People just submitted it.

> Zuck: I don't know why.

> Zuck: They "trust me"

> Zuck: Dumb fucks.

A cynic would interpret the current state of the world to suggest that Zuckerberg, and by extension Facebook, considers a large segment of the world population "Dumb fucks"

http://www.businessinsider.com/well-these-new-zuckerberg-ims...

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That text was so long ago I don't think it's relevant anymore. Oprah Winfrey was also crack cocaine smoker in a cycle of abusive relationships in her late twenties. If people choose to change their perspectives they can, and everything indicates that Mark has matured quite a bit since then.

What indicates that Mark has matured quite a bit since then?

He doesn’t just outright say that stuff anymore.

No evidence he doesn’t still think it, but he doesn’t say it.

It's also the kind of thing i'd say to some of my friends as a joke. Maybe he meant it, but in isolation it's not particularly damning.

No wonder. Wasn't he planning to run for president?

That was from a leak. So how do you know he doesn't say it anymore?

"Everything indicates"?

Facebook's vision for their product and the future world is appalling. Zuckerberg may be doing his best, but he continues to helm a product/service which is structurally bad for its users even before you consider the surveillance aspect. What could you possibly have in mind as evidence for Zuckerberg being any more than superficially competent for the social role he is playing?

Social role? Until further notice, America is a capitalist country and Zuckerberg’s score says it all. Who needs social roles?

The US is not purely capitalist and has not been for a long time (if ever). There are many laws and regulations to limit the influence of capitalism and to reign back it's (in a pure form) detrimental effects on society. You might not agree with that, but that is the system as it is.

Sure, if by matured, you mean that zuck has refined his ability to harvest and use personal data without any sort of qualms.

What Facebook has become is technically brilliant, but the "dumb fuck" attitude shows no signs of having lessened.

More importantly, those views were of the early days of the company. It's very likely that the early hires and executives also shared the same views. Unless everyone in that cohort had a change of heart or the entire executive slate was turned over, the company likely reflects the same views about the "dumb fucks"

I think more importantly is that it was the prevalent attitude when potentially / probably core systems were being developed which are undoubtedly still in place, in some form, today, and that also very likely have carried forward those same biases. If you have little respect for your users outwardly then I'm sure it reflects itself in the code. I mean, isn't this how we've ended up with GDPR in the first place?

He has had a little or no blowback from it so did he learn anything to change or was his view confirmed that people are dumb

2018: Dumb fucks at scale

>> A cynic would interpret the current state of the world to suggest that Zuckerberg, and by extension Facebook, considers a large segment of the world population "Dumb fucks"
I wish I could contradict you but I can't...a large majority of the world population is exactly like that.

Didn't Zuck take the idea for Facebook from someone else and then run with it?

It's a popular story, but out of all gripes you have against Zuck it's perhaps the least relevant. Especially so in HN, where the daily mantra is "the idea is worthless but the execution is".
There are many valid criticisms against Zuck, and I don't think this one quite holds value as much as the others.

No. The "idea" was already quite old. He scammed the scammers: he stole the company from the "idea guys" who tried to hire a naive nerd to build a company for them and hand it over.

Maybe he should have built his own platform then instead without accepting payment from the “idea guys” to build it for them.

ConnectU wasn't even supposed to be a social network originally, but rather a dating site. You can still see the original mockups of it on archive.org, and it was honestly quite crappy.

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