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You are squinting too hard. Don't squint too hard. You ll miss out all the important details.

As you said earlier that "no one has an actual list of the necessary hardware". And if that is true, claiming that "our cars have full self driving hardware", is nothing but a big, fat lie.

That is like selling a computer by saying that it has "full stock prediction hardware".Oh, I am not a fraud because I sincerely believe that my computer can see into the future. It just needs the right software. Oh believe me, I make this claim in good faith.

What a crock of shit.

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Again, shrug. I don’t know that Tesla is wrong. They already have AutoPilot. It is not entirely unreasonable that they believe the gap to full self driving will be filled entirely by software.

You insist on assuming that they are operating in bad faith by making a prediction and you keep giving bad faith examples as metaphors. If I sold you a car and told you that a future update would automatically dim and brighten the headlights based on whether the road was empty, would that be fraud? Assuming your car came with what I believed to be sufficient hardware capabilities to pull this off, this isn’t a bad faith claim unless I do not intend to deliver.

>Assuming your car came with what I believed to be sufficient hardware capabilities to pull this off...

You have said it yourself that no one know enough to make this assumption. How can Tesla then make this assumption?

Ok. From your standpoint literally every contract for work/production is fraud. Until you do the work, you can't be certain you can produce the contracted result, so it's fraud.

Your argument boils down to being unable to predict the future with 100% accuracy. Most people don't consider the constraints of reality to constitute fraud.

That is what you said. You said no one knows the full list of hardware requirements to make full self driving work. Tesla is claiming that their cars have this "full hardware for self driving".

In other words the company is as genuine as the quack around the corner who sell cancer cure...

And general contractors don’t know the full list of requirements when they take a job to remodel a house. And yet they will claim with full confidence that they have all the necessary expertise and equipment to do the job.

Complete quacks, right?

I applaud your mental gymnastics by which you put full self driving to be similar to that of remodeling of a house.

I have nothing else to add. Thanks for the laughs.

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