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Always a shame to see a company shut down that many people have poured years of effort and belief into.

Maybe a lesson here - I have engineering and PM responsibilities and couldn't be more squarely in the target market - still I have never heard of this product, I wonder how they marketed it…

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Indeed, I'd never heard of this, which is unfortunate as I've previously tried to find something - anything! - in the void between "not so complex as to be unusable" JIRA and "perfectly simple - too simple" Trello.

(Disclosure: Zoho CEO here) Have you looked at Zoho Sprints? https://www.zoho.com/sprints/

TIL Zoho has an Agile tool. I've been using you guys for mail for years. Awesome products, but too many to count these days.

edit: Suggestion, compile that, the bug tracker and a Git repo service into one bundle. It'd definitely sell.

This is an aside from the conversation, but did Zoho acquire your Site 24x7 product or build it from the ground up?

I enjoy the product a lot but when our IT people first sent us the documentation and accounts I thought I had clicked on the wrong link since the design of Site 24x7's dashboard and the Zoho site seem so different

HN is a magical place. I like your products.

I use YouTrack, which retains a lot of the power of Jira, but I find nicer, especially multi project planning ( ie it makes it easier for planning when you have people spread across multiple projects )

It's not without its warts though.

I felt the same woes. My research found Pivotal Tracker and Clubhouse. I'd say the complexity continuum goes Trello -> PT -> CH -> Jira. We chose clubhouse and it has been working well.

Clubhouse is amazing. I could never stick to Trello and just didn’t want to use Asana after some time. Clubhouse for software dev even when it’s just me has been great. You also don’t need to use Clubhouse’s “advanced” features and wouldn’t even really feel a burden or like you’re missing out.

Agreed on Clubhouse. Big fan.

It’s only a reasonable onetime effort to configure Jira to your needs. You can even pay a consultant for that. After that you can use it with your the sweet spot complexity. Or is it just that you don’t like their UI?

My biggest complaint with JIRA is it's absolutely woeful performance. 3+ seconds just to open a ticket is ridiculous!

“Just”

Can’t even make readable bug tickets since preformatted text is broken.

If it's for coding this might be what you want:

https://clubhouse.io

I don't use it since Trello is enough for me, but it looks pretty solid.

There is Asana, but from what I've heard it's not ideal either. I'm actually fairly seriously considering making my own at this point.

It's fortunate: you'd be up the creek without a paddle now otherwise.

Same, was reviewing alternatives to mingle a short while ago, saw nothing of this product.

A little OT but alternatives to consider are:

* YouTrack - developer-centric issue tracker from JetBrains that is fast and aims at “power user” types

* Sifter - an issue tracker that focuses on simplicity and usability

* Manuscript (the rebranded FogBugz)

BTW I’ve eventually come back to Jira even after trying these excellent alternatives.

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