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Lisp lost it's last bastion, the hipster, "I'm smarter than you", "the infinite is possible", to Haskell. Enough said.

Please don't post unsubstantive comments here. We particularly don't need programming language flamewars.

What? I don't think the majority of people interested in lisp are going into work looking down their noses at people. They're probably mostly people who like to try different tools and learn new things. I don't use lisp but I loved reading through PG's ANSI Common Lisp book because it really challenged me to think about programming and problem solving in a way I never had before. I think I write better code because I did learn lisp.

https://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0133708756

Go and read http://wiki.c2.com/?BlubParadox . I've heard many lisp people reference this, which basically says lisp is so great that it is the best language which could possibly exist, and people who don't think that just think that because the languages they like are too stupid to let them appreciate lisp.

Yup. I love Lisp - very glad I learned it, but I find PG's Blub Paradox essay enormously offensive.

This sort of "lispers are hipsters", "haskellers are hipsters" comments are very destructive to our community yet I see them in every single lisp thread. Very unfortunate. I only wish this will stop one day.

In the meantime while they argue, the neanderthals in the games industry are building their products in C++ and making millions of dollars. Heathens!

Does this comment imply the only (reliable) way to make million dollars is using C++? My company uses (mostly) python and we're making millions of dollars too. It's almost as if for every different task there might be a better tool solving the problem.

No it doesn't, I think you may be reading way too much into my comment.

I have a very-very good Haskell programming friend, and quite a few times I caught him start speaking in technobabble to impress a couple of blubers.

I also have a few Scala friends, and I can see the obvious Haskell envy they have, they feel the need to become good at it to prove their alphaness.

So what? My whole point is that discussing these sort of social "issues" in lisp/haskell community adds nothing to the discussion at hand. It doesn't have any implication to lisp or haskell, we learn nothing from these sort of comments. They're just visual noise, almost put as a bait to trigger an ad hominem comment chain.

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