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Discord is already considered uncool among a pretty influential crowd of users, people are sick of how laggy it is compared to other services and it is now a product no one asked for with the new store.

The fact it is also a gigantic datamining operation also is not going over so well.

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I'm a pretty big discord user, early supporter/nitro/hypesquad and all that, and I have never heard of this "influential crowd" calling it uncool. All I've seen is servers getting larger and more servers popping up. Discord themselves just ran a Snowsgiving server which raised 100k for charity in under a week and had ~10k people in it at any time I checked chatting.

I don't have any lag on any devices nor do I hear of anyone else having that issue. The store was maybe not asked for but it's continuously getting better. With the latest announcement it's even more exciting.

I'd like to hear about how you think it's a datamining operation as well. The only times I've heard that are from when a lot of alt-right and neonazi servers/users were banned and started an astroturfing campaign.

Data mining operation..? ask yourself what was their response to the end to end encryption requests? There is your answer.

Their response to the request for end to end encryption was a non-response. They've stated that they believe in security but it doesn't get any more substantive than that.

I agree. It is the de facto app for chatting amongst gamers, especially streamers. Just check out streamers on Twitch: even the tiniest ones have a Discord server.

The biggest thing is that while it's focused to and originally for gamers that's not the only thing it's used for. There's a server for anything now. Subreddits have Discords, I've been in the typology/psychology Discords a lot. Discord themselves even has a page promoting it for open-source projects.

- https://discordapp.com/open-source

Yup. I think Discord will ultimately surpass Slack except for certain edge cases.

You can bet that they save every audio sample you generate.

the GDPR data takeout option (maybe only for european users) contains a lot of creepy shit (essentially every click and mouse movement), but no audio data

I tried that. The lack of mentioning voice data in their privacy page is disturbing.

Except one mention:

>Developers: Developers using our SDK or API will have access to their end users’ information, including message content, message metadata, and voice metadata.

Since voice metadata is explicitly mentioned, real voice data must also be stored somewhere.

Also,

>... your activities within the Services

is very vague. The lack of mentioning voice data is probably because of the huge backlash. Wiretapping every user.

> Since voice metadata is explicitly mentioned, real voice data must also be stored somewhere.

That's not necessarily true. "voice metadata" could be things like quality settings, latency history, when you join a voice channel, when you leave a voice channel, etc. It may have a lot of metadata about it without actually storing the audio streams.

A phone PBX will have tons of metadata about calls placed through it, but it might not bother recording every call that goes through it.

It's not creepy. Discord tracks mouse movements to tell when you're hovering over something and tracks clicks to tell when you've clicked on something. It's just how the client works.

It is. Because this data does not need to be transmitted for this to work.

Are you a Discord developer? It does need to be transmitted for it to work based on how Discord is made. Your argument would be better written as, "I believe Discord could be made differently for this not to be needed."

I did see a video or article on it earlier, I wish I still knew where to find that.

Common sense. It does not. In fact I just tried it. Went offline, and clicked some settings in the Discord program. It worked. Chat messages from a channel also worked (those preloaded of course) and clicking a link opens the browser. No need for sending cursor information anywhere for this to work.

So tell me again, why does Discord need cursor movements to work?

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