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And juul is safer than inhaling the combustion products of smoke, correct?

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But more dangerous than not inhaling anything.

If people were swapping cigarettes for Juul I'd see your point, but as the article states, they is not.

I guess I have a hard time buying that when the article admits to strong bias like the following:

Vaping in general, and Juul in particular, have wiped out years of hard work to get teens off of cigarettes

How is that bias? The data clearly backs up that teen rate of nicotine product use (for want of a better description) was on a dramatic decline until the advent of Juul.

Where is the bias? That's just stating the facts .

The data shows teens are using Juuls, which are scientifially mostly harmless. The data does not show increased cigarette usage.

All juuls have nicotine, which is decidedly NOT harmless. The best you can claim is that it is less harmful than cigarettes, which is a very very low bar.

"Nicotine, a substance frequently implicated in tobacco addiction, has been shown to have "relatively weak" addictive properties when administered alone. The addictive potential increases dramatically after co-administration of an MAOI, which specifically causes sensitization of the locomotor response in rats, a measure of addictive potential. This may be reflected in the difficulty of smoking cessation, as tobacco contains naturally-occurring MAOI compounds in addition to the nicotine." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_inhibitor#cit...

> But more dangerous than not inhaling anything.

but if you're going to inhale anything, is it better that it is juul rather than tobacco?

Sure. Equally, if you're going to punch yourself in the face, better to do it once than to do it ten times.

Punching yourself is harmful. How much evidence regarding the harm of vaping do we have presently?

It contains nicotine, and nicotine is addictive. So health risks aside (not to say there aren't any, I guess we'll find out) you are being exposed to a product that will make you physically dependent on buying it again and again. That's not a good thing for anyone except the owner of the company selling it to you.

Most things humans like to do are addictive. Games are addictive. Gambling is addictive. Alcohol is addictive. Reading is addictive. Drinking coffee is addictive. Of course they all carry different kinds of risks but trying to make the point that every addiction is a problem to solve is a never ending issue. Humans love addictions and this is how we operate. there are just socially acceptable addictions and the rest.

Actually, it turns oout the MAOIs are the addictive part

This would be great...if all Juul users wee former smokers. I am sure that you are a smart person who knows otherwise, so why lead the discussion in an erroneous direction like that, buddy?

Correct. Literally thousands of times less deadly.

Citation? I'm not aware of any research quantifying that in the medium-to-long term.

Mostly true, but there's definitely vapes that contain the popcorn lung chemicals as well as who knows what yet. It's new, heated chemicals going into lungs. I imagine the jury is still out disregarding the combustion part

Yes

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