I've been taught this like its a fact.
I've been taught this like its a fact.
John Bogle [1] claims that the long term annualized return from the stock market has averaged about 6.8%. The lowest 50 year period was 5.8%, and highest was 7.9%. As far as 10 year periods, the lowest was 2.3%, and highest was 11.5%.
But, these percentages are after adjusting for inflation, maybe before inflation would be closer to your "7-13%".
[1] Common sense on mutual funds, p16
My understanding is that 10 years ago was a stock market crash(2008), and since then we've been in a historic bull run. My understanding is that it WILL crash again (obviously), we just don't know when. But the stock market has always been like this, cycling between bull/bear runs.
Wouldn't it make more sense to use a larger dataset that isn't just a bull run? Maybe the last 25 years or whatnot?
I think many leaders in the space have said they expect lower returns in the coming years as well. Obviously this list is biased towards those who I personally believe in:
https://www.cnbc.com/2017/03/22/jack-bogle-believes-the-stoc... https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/nobel-prize-winner-shiller-s... https://www.cnbc.com/2018/07/06/vanguard-youll-make-less-mon...
The markets in the 60s, 70s and 80s were like poker tables with plenty of fish and few sharks. The sharks came out with bigger returns due to asymmetrical informational advantages which resulted in exploitation of mistakes. Today, the tables are full of sharks which means less mistakes and smaller returns.
Intuitively, this makes sense, since market gains are really just market valuation errors.
You'll find charts for 5, 10, 20 and 30 year windows for the S&P 500. If you look at the 10 year one, you can see it has gone as high as almost 20%/yr for some 10 year period, and has given negative returns at least twice. That's without inflation.
If you adjust for inflation, then it's more like a peak of 17%, and multiple 10 year intervals that were negative.
Even a 30 year window (which I think is where the traditional 7% after inflation comes from), there were periods below 5%. The highest was a bit over 10% (inflation adjusted).
This is assuming a lumped sum in the initial period. If you're looking at putting money in every month/year and calculating the effective returns for those, you'll find those plots as well.