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> Eschew flamebait. Don't introduce flamewar topics unless you have something genuinely new to say. Avoid unrelated controversies and generic tangents.

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The US already has the infamous Terrorist Watch List and No Fly List. George W. Bush created that 20 years ago.

There are differences like the watch list is only 2m while the china travel ban is 23m, and the purpose differ quite a bit, but for an individual on either list it is supposedly hard to get out of or know why you got put there in the first place.

There’s a population difference though that brings this factor down a bit.

Note that China is 5 times more populated, so this comparison is not entirely fair.

trump? really?

pretty sure polarizing and biased shutdown of opposing opinions is prevalent on all sides, and mizz pelosi does control the house these days..

You’re really gonna go with “both sides are bad”, huh?

sure am. prove me wrong.

also, you presume there are only 2 sides, when in fact this is not a 1 dimensional topic. however, duopoly polarizes debate, which is my point.