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Flutter for Web is heavily reminiscent of Famous with its custom layout system and off-DOM rendering (or guessing DOM rendering support w/ CSS transforms of divs). To see, just view-source on the NYT demo.

Quite divergent from the web platform in my opinion. The fact that they have to re-implement copy and paste (and, accessibility features!) further adds to that: https://medium.com/flutter-io/bringing-flutter-to-the-web-90...

Quite bizarre compared to the Chrome team "Use the Platform" messaging.

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Try using keyboard navigation or a screen reader on that NYT demo. There isn't a single accessible thing on the page. Not even the logo. You can't even select the text. It's awful.

Odd. Accessibility should work fine. If you can reproduce this, can you file a bug with details of your setup? https://github.com/flutter/flutter/issues/new?template=BUG.m...

Web development with DOM, CSS, etc. is a morass of complexity.

I'm really excited about a fresh approach to UI development. If they can pull it off, it is going to be very compelling.

It is going to take an enormous amount of investment. Something like this could only be done by a "FAANG" size company.

Well, not new. They take features of regular toolkits like gtk and qt, claiming them as new, paradigm shifting, bigger than sliced bread things.

Except it is still a very early stage product and feature set of one tenth of what QT or GTK would have provided.

Unlike GTK and QT, Flutter targets mobile and web.

Mobile: https://www.qt.io/mobile-app-development/

Web: https://wiki.qt.io/Qt_for_WebAssembly

Huh, good to know.

God, I totally forgot about Famous. That was honestly one of the weirder things I’ve seen in my years of web development. Such a gorgeous website and yet I never really understood what they were trying to sell me on.

So much marketing, such little end result....never went anywhere, never amounted to anything meaningful.

Apparently they're still a company, and still a lot of marketing with little end result: https://famous.co/

I think one of my first HN comments was meekly raising my hand and asking "OK, but what actually is this?" And getting quite a few (unexpected) upvotes, haha.

I am pretty sure these web apps can't be indexed by google at the moment and am not sure how they are going to solve that.

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