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That overlooks the long history and cultural norm of borrowing or copying to advance. Chinese culture does not place the same value on pioneering as the US. If China does become a tech leader it will have to shift those deeply rooted cultural forces first. That, and their government that is capable of long term planning is also incapable of tolerating diversity, dissent, and free thought. I do not think China will become the technology leader you’re hypothesizing.

Edit: Why don’t you ask the millions in the re-education camps how advanced China’s education system is?

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> Edit: Why don’t you ask the millions in the re-education camps how advanced China’s education system is?

Would asking the millions in US prisions help us understand how innovative the US is?

What I find interesting is Xi was sent to a re-education camp as a teen and now he is the most powerful person in China.

Are we talking about the same China here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGJ5cZnoodY

> Chinese culture does not place the same value on pioneering as the US.

That's clearly not true and is visible everywhere in China.

> is also incapable of tolerating diversity, dissent, and free thought.

That's not true.

Chinese culture tolerates diversity and uniqueness much more than Japanese culture, for example.

Discussions would gain in value if people commented on what they have at least a modicum of knowledge about and were open to learn others' cultures.

You seem to forget that China has like 50+ minorities that are encouraged to rise up in society, with preferred employment in the regions they are from or better chance to get at top universities. That some Uyghur have been trying to create domestic terrorism and that the central government response is blunt that is true, but the same can be said of how a lot of members of the Muslim community are treated in the West, especially in places like Gitmo. As for pioneering, just by seeing what happened with digital payments, I think you are in for a surprise. The worst thing one can do in general is think that you are so superior that no other people can overcome you. China suffered greatly from having such delusions in the past and so will the US if they don't get any wiser.

Perhaps there are a lot of upset Uyghurs because the Chinese government keeps throwing their people into internment camps and surveilling Uyghur people wholesale?

>Uyghurs in Xinjiang suffer under a "fully-fledged police state" with extensive controls and restrictions upon their religious, cultural and social life. In Xinjiang, the Chinese government has expanded police surveillance to watch for signs of "religious extremism" that include owning books about Uyghurs, growing a beard, having a prayer rug, or quitting smoking or drinking. The government had also installed cameras in the homes of private citizens.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uyghurs?wprov=sfla1

I wouldn’t say the US is absolutely superior in any way, if anything I’d place the progressive EU countries at the top of that list. There seems to be something rotting at the core of the US too. Just different. And while the US has its own atrocious human rights violations, so does China. And an Orwellian one-party government. We should not be defending totalitarian regimes of any kind.

And nice try trying to whitewash genocide and concentration camps, but I personally am steadfastly against fascism, for what it’s worth. You do you though.

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