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Having seen how Japanese work I know that the work ethic, reliability and efficiency can not be matched by anybody else on the globe. Foreigners would drag down the average which mathematically means nothing else than effectively extracting resources from the host society.

The exchange of ideas can always happen via tourism, Internet, business or whatever. Multiculturalism has nothing to do with the exchange of ideas. In the best case it means a culture of the lowest common denominator (McDonalds and Mickey Mouse) in the worst case it means eternal tribal war (Afghanistan, Middle East).

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Please don't do nationalistic flamewar here.

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> Having seen how Japanese work I know that the work ethic, reliability and efficiency can not be matched by anybody else on the globe.

You certainly haven't worked in a Japanese office then. It's also strange that you attribute the efficiency of their service industry to the workers being Japanese (though a good chunk of them actually aren't) and not simply to the techniques the workers are trained to use, the efficient layout of the stores, the equipment used, etc.

You keep saying "multiculturalism" but I'm not sure what you mean.

You talk about tribalism and war, that's a choice someone makes, and that's on those who choose it.

> that's a choice someone makes

If you have a vastly non-tribalistic society (.e.g. western society) and introduce masses of highly tribalistic immigrants then the host society has no choice but to either become tribalistic itself or die. There is no choice. The survivor will always be the strongest, most ruthless, brutal and tribalisitc tribe.

We had a great technology that shielded us from that kind of tribal conflict and allowed people to care about unrelated hobbies like exploring the universe: Borders.

But it seems those became out of fashion.

Yes, because the Sicilians who left during the struggles of Italian unification, the Irish who left during the wars of independence against the British, and the Germans and other Europeans who left during the revolutions of 1848 to enter the Americas were not tribal at all.

Of course they were tibal. They caused lots of problems and the result is a popular culture defined by McDonalds and MickeyMouse.

Ironically there are not only one, but two, Disneylands in Tokyo, and they seem to be popular among locals. There also seem to be more McDonald’s per capita in Japan than Europe. And don’t get me started on faux-European food in Japan (they do taste nice, though.)

So no, Japan, which is very well integrated into the global economy, is not that different from the west in terms of cultural consumption. People who still treat Japan as the mysterious land of samurais (ninjas seem outdated) and kabukis, unadulterated by western influence will, on their visit to Japan, struggle in the same way Japanese tourists struggled in Paris.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paris_syndrome

Humans are prone tribalism, that's a human trait. I feel like your comments here effectively prove that.

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